Real project leadership with Jeanette Cremor

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Mon, Oct 07, 2024 6:50AM • 39:10

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Welcome to the podcast. Today, I'm so excited to introduce you to Jeanette, also known as JC cremore, who is curious and learns every day. She's a business transformation advisor, facilitator and coach, and she's the creator of the project ecosystem. I had the pleasure of meeting Jeanette through networking, and I've loved being connected over the years. She shares that she loves chocolate. She cheers loud and proud as a Gold Coast sons AFL club foundation member. She loves her girls, daughter and granddaughter, and her they are her why and inspiration. And after spending 25 years leading projects in government, education and utilities, Jeanette now works with senior officers and their project teams who are navigating business transformation journeys. She shares her practical, proven methods in her programs and workshops to foster real project leadership that creates real impact. Her superpower is joining the invisible dots. She's also the author of the book real project leadership, and we're going to learn so much more about that today. JC is such a wonderful connector and networker, but with genuine heart, and I've just been so grateful to have her in my world. I can't wait for you to meet her. So let's jump into the episode.

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Please welcome Jeanette creamel,

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welcome to the podcast. Jeanette creamel, thanks, Emma, great to be here. So lovely to see you. Now, let's start off with a little bit of a in your words, who are you?

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Well, Jeanette, cream or but most people call me JC because it's easier to order a coffee than trying to spell my name. So when I order a coffee, it's JC and it's just stuck. I I think, and what? Who am I? I'm a very proud grandmother now of a five year old Willow, and I'm a project recovery specialist. So what that means is that I'm probably known for someone that can come in like a bit of a project doctor. You look at the symptoms of what's going wrong, and then you look at some quick wins to get them back on track, the project team and and then longer term strategies in the business transformation space, so where people process and technology all integrate, that's where I like to hang out. And I love what I do. You do. You're very passionate about it. I love seeing you share. How did we meet?

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I think we met in 2019

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or 20, I think was 2009 because when I met you through business checks, and you are lovely communications, and you did a session for business chicks around branding, and I loved you. I just there was the energy that you bought and I started following you. And then when I had my podcast, I reached out to you and said, Look, can I have your story? Because was your ingredients and your vibe and your thought leadership that is so transferable, and particularly in projects as well. Even though you talked about branding, I believe every project team has a brand because they're actually the vehicle of change. And what's that brand? What's that change about? And so there was things that you were talking about. I went, Yeah, are really resonated with that. So I think it's been, what, maybe 545, years now, yeah, definitely, yeah. Oh, it's so. So I know it's you sort of get to a point sometimes where people are in your world and you're like, you know.

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They're just there. So

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how did you mean? I don't know, just just TC,

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but we have something fun in common this year, and that is that we both wrote books. And yes, we did you just, I think, unlike me, who was like teasing and leading it a long, long time I just got your I just got it in the post. I got it. You asked me for my dress, and I just give it out. Here you go. And then I just got it. And I was like, Oh my gosh. So congratulations to you, because I do know what it takes to get this out in the world, but tell us a little bit about real project leadership. Yeah, yeah. Another day for another story about authoring books, isn't it? But yeah, real project leadership came about back in 2017 when I was doing research and unpacking all of my project rescues that I'd been involved in all the projects I wanted to look at what was some of the core things that I was able to do with the teams to go, Well, we're struggling now how to get back on track.

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And I looked at business transformations of all the projects I was doing, I went, Okay, what's the framework that I can operate in that can be same, same, different. You know, every project's unique, but there's us some basic things the same. So I developed the project ecosystem framework, which is a planning and delivery framework for business transformation. And it's got 13 components in it, and the one in the middle, that is the glue, is leadership. And where best to start writing? Then the probably center. So

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I was working with my business mentor, Jane Anderson, and we pulled it apart, and she's, what does it mean for you? And I said, Well, I believe everyone in a project team has the role to play in leadership, because when you're in the room facilitating a workshop, you know you're really leading the conversation. You might be testing our new technology or solution. Well, you're really leading the results. And so everything you do, bringing your best version to the team, actually makes a difference. It creates the real impact. And so I wrote then about the three pillars of project leadership, self leadership, which is who I am, practice leadership, what I do, and solution leadership, how I do it. And those three pillars each have five ingredients. And I really believe that every project team, if they were aware of these ingredients and noticed that

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they weren't obvious. Well, you're thinking, Oh, hang on, my project could be in trouble here, because I'm not demonstrating all the three pillars of project leadership. So it's not about titles, it's about everyone, everyone from the senior executive that might be sponsoring the project right through to the Project Support Officer that keeps the lights on and keeps the project team humming. We all have a role to play, and that's what I did. So this is my ingredient, my proven recipe, that I have used over and over again to recover projects, and I think it's the toolkit for the future, no matter what size project we're delivering in our business, transformations these 15 ingredients, like any chef will master, you know, they want a little bit more of risk versus a little bit more of self discipline or a little bit more of communication. By mixing the ingredients together, you find the recipe that works for you,

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and it's so good the way that you explain that leadership, especially the sales leadership, it was really interesting. I actually did the I love bit of Brene Brown, and I did the dare to lead right before I had my son, actually. And the reason I did it was because, you know, you can fall into that trap, especially as a small business owner, and be like, Well, I don't do leadership because just me myself, and I better do have vas. I have an EA, you know, yes, you do a retreat, but then you come back and choose your little office by yourself. And who am I leading? You know, we tend to only think of leaders as CEOs or the president.

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If I don't have a lot of people, then I don't this, I don't have leadership experience, but I knew that that was that self leadership was such a thing that I wanted to kind of tap into at that time, leadership in your family, you know, leadership your home. I think leadership is at all different levels. You know, leadership in being the first one to go in and to do something I saw, I was at a university yesterday, and hearing someone just speak out about doing their thing for the first time, being the first of their culture to graduate or something, um, but it's such a you know. So it takes that within and then working within, obviously, there is a team and there is a leader.

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Yeah, I think it's so wonderful

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that you're talking about it and giving people such agency.

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And I think for me, leadership is the thing. It's not leaders, it's leadership and and how do we have the behaviors and actions

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to make an impact? And that's kind of what this is really about. So, like, I see it in my granddaughter, like, will I? She already has her own little bit of

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self leadership that I'm really learning about.

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But now that I, you know, I've put this lens on everything that you know I do. And I bought it together. People are saying to me, and even in a recent workshop, I was doing creative problem solving. Problem solving is one of my ingredients in the book. And and the lady just started to weep, and I went, Oh my gosh, what's wrong? And she said, No, thank you, because you've given me now the method that I can apply at home, because I've been really struggling with communication and relationships in the home, and why one child is doing something different to another child. And I said, Well, that's all. And so it's transferable, like you said, it's homework, relationships, it's what we do. Recognize it in themselves. And then, you know, and sometimes it might hold people back from going from for a leader position. Well, I've never had, you know, I haven't demonstrated leadership, or I, you know, I haven't been the leader, so therefore I don't have leadership. And it's like, you know, with that self, that self talk of, no, well, let's find some times that I did demonstrate that,

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and sometimes it is the smallest little action,

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doing something, you know, saying no, could be leadership. Saying no, going against the grain. Disagree, that's leadership, not just going along. And that's what a powerful thing to bring into the fold, Yep, yeah, it sure is. And, and you mentioned Brene Brown, I had a bit of a moment then, because she's one of my virtual mentors. I love Brene.

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Went to her when she was over here in Australia a couple of years ago,

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met her, had photo with her.

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Just love everything that she brings, especially vulnerability. And recently, I've been talking a little bit about vulnerability,

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about, you know, when we are self aware, and that self leadership,

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vulnerability has to be embraced. And she's the master of it. So showing being vulnerable is showing leadership as well. It's wonderful. And I feel like you are the person that I need in my world. Because, like when you talk about projects and project management, I'm

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like, I'm just to be I need someone to be managing me at all times and again. I think, although I feel like you're probably you are targeting more like teams from with this or businesses with teams. We all have projects, but we don't think about it. And I didn't think about my team, you know, I have VAs and an EA, and I didn't think about them as team in the past. I thought about them as contractors, which is fine, and, you know, I treated them well and all that sort of stuff, but I wasn't sharing with them the vision. I wasn't sharing with them the plan. And I even before we came on, I said, you know, we've just had so much happen in such a whirlwind with the book coming out that it's like we need to get back to that and bring them in so that they understand what is, where are we going with it, and that we do have projects within my business like, Oh, absolutely, that's right. I so I am. I do work one on ones as well, and the and the situation, I'll share with you now the reason why I'm working with him, it's the same thing he didn't see

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you see himself, and he's in a wonderful growth wave, in his third growth wave at the moment. But when you are a small business and you're, you know, doing life, business, travel,

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you you do have a team, and it's

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the people you work for, the purple people you work with, the people that you reach out for, for help, and the people that are impacted. So when I look at that for entrepreneurial people or small business people that are growing. They have to look at that extended network of people that do stuff for them as their team. Otherwise, yeah, you can't do it alone. That's definitely,

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you know, it looks, it looks if Emma's here run on the show by herself, but she has got a team of people.

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Paul

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about celebrating them. But, I mean, and the book was such a great

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I think for a long time, I've not, and you already shouted out, you know, someone who supported you

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had a project that was so clear, like, I mean, the podcast is a project. The

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you know, the rebrand is a project,

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but I guess I don't apply that language, and I have done some contracts in corporate, so understand that, you know, it's like, well, we don't need that. It's, you know, we all know what's going on, but we don't know what's going on. And they become like multiple facets. And so doing, the book was a great way to Yeah, remember what a project is like, and I don't think I've been as focused for a long time, and a big part of the project was having the team and having the right people and the right roles to support me, because it's just, you know, and you said to me, there's just things that we don't want to do. We're, we're experts on the subject matter. We don't, I don't want to become an expert on how to print a expert on how to print a book, or no, the type, like the typeface or the design, no. And there's a lot of elements that are really important to make it a good book. And it yours. It's great,

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Jeanette, it's really with the headings and, you know, just the layout is really you a business book. To me, needs to be very like you said, Pick it up, take something from it, and you can put it back down. Because if you think, oh, gosh, I've got to read a novel,

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look a bit like a

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book. It feels very weighty like a novel, but you want to, then when you open it, it was something important for me too. Was like some fittings and dot points and that you can just go, Well, I could just read that bit, and I could learn a little thing. And

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so that's

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important

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to have. And, yeah, it makes it such a it makes it, we want them to be read, right? Yeah. Well, yeah, thank you. And also, you know, at the end of each pillar, I've got like five questions and then a checklist, yeah, you know, just as bit of self reflection going, Oh, actually, am I really applying self leadership in my role? No matter what that role is, it could be a mum, could be a head of department, or it could be CEO of your own small business, and

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then, yeah, every and I'm now going to turn that into an online self assessment tool for people so they can actually, before they even grab the book, going, Oh, okay, because then, depending on the score, I've got the ingredients in the book that can help them type of things. So I'm even learning, after being an author going, Okay, what other support tools can I put in place for people to help them?

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Because it's scary out there by yourself. It's really scary, and not everyone's feeling comfortable being vulnerable. And yeah, I want to put all this together too, and then just be like, and people just go, Okay, I read that. But like, now, what do I do? You know? Okay, cool, I read that. But like, you know, I think the the benefit of a business book is meant to be that it's applicable. And if somebody you know thinks it's something like, Oh, you're just doing the book, so then they can work with you, and you're like, well, if they need more, but no, it would be no greater gift than someone reading this book and applying it and getting a benefit out of it. And if they do follow some of the steps, not even all of the steps, as you said, there might be one area of their life they can apply it to, or yay, you've done your job. You're just able to help more people, yeah, yeah. And the thing for me, it's the legacy, and I even like that's in the book, is kind of the bookends, if you want to put the bookends, is there's 15 ingredients, but the bookend is, what role model do you want to be and what legacy does your project want to leave behind? So if we think of us writing our books as a project. What's the legacy they want to leave behind? You know,

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for me, I want to demonstrate to my granddaughter anything's possible. Don't let anyone tell you that you're limited. You have to be a certain age, a certain color, a certain background, a certain whatever. No, that's BS. Go out there and go for it. Mate, like, just go for it. So that's kind of one of the legacy objectives that I had for writing the book, is to

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any I acknowledge her right up front my my two girls are my purpose, my why. And I went, Oh, if, if she can, you know, the day that I'm not here, going, Well, my nanny wrote a book,

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hopefully that will inspire her to go for her dreams, or anyone, yeah, like you said,

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if, if I can impact

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1000 people, somehow, awesome, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you are, and you will, I love it. And what was your background then? JC, for, like, to get to this point, you know, and I.

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Yeah, briefly, 25 years of leading, but what were you in? Give you know, you running your own business now? When, yeah, where was I?

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Long, different journeys.

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I'll probably start with

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government. So as a single parent, I was looking for some stability in work, and so I applied for a public sector

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job. I had to do an examination back in those days, and I got a role at Corporate Services, main roads, Bundaberg, so

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in Queensland,

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people look after the roads, road construction, road maintenance.

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Victoria. It's called VicRoads, you know. So it's a state government, and I was accounts payable, but I have a big appetite for curiosity and learning. I just will ask questions. Why does this happen? Can I help you? Can I make it better? I've just got this thing. And so, yeah, I navigated through Queensland government, through roads, transport, communities, disability, education and from corporate services, grassroots learning behind the scenes. I was then given an opportunity work in logistics. It in Brisbane, from logistics, it to in the project office, where I supported project managers, and then I was given my first project, and I didn't look back, and that's really how I got to this. And then 14 years ago, I moved to Melbourne.

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I typically ran away from

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Project rescues and recoveries because I had done seven in a row,

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and I wanted to break I wanted something different. So I thought, I'll run away to Melbourne, just pack up and go leave Brisbane, leave my daughter behind. She was working at the time, so she was okay to be an adult herself. And I packed up, and I walked straight into my first project, rescue here in Melbourne.

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I couldn't run away from it, and so then I embraced it. I went, Okay, this must be a skill that I have.

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Let's embrace why I can see one of the people have given me my superpower of joining the invisible dots.

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I think that's probably one of the my power superpowers, is I can see things that other people don't see because they're either in it and they're so overwhelmed or just don't know where to go next. Whereas I can come in, I can hear, listen, see, and I go, Okay, this is what's kind of what I can see. This is where I think's missing. This is, if we did this, we could get back on track. And, you know? And, yes, that's how I got here. Oh,

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fantastic. And now you've written the book on it. I've written the first book a

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bit. It's, I'm already exploring another book, just as I think, like yourself, Emma, I think our thought leadership, we don't ever stop thinking and creating.

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And so I don't think there's just one book in either of us. I know

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there'd be many more in you, and I already, I'm starting to kind of shape out what my second book is, but it's like it is like you said. It's to serve others. It's to help someone else, if I can

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Lanka retreat, I'd love to see you there, and I'm happy to chat. If you have any questions whatsoever, please take this opportunity to come along and join me in stunning Sri Lanka. Yeah, somebody asked me on a call the other day, and I feel like I don't know if I answered it, so I might answer it now, but it was, why did you choose podcast book, and I don't podcast as the segue. But why did you choose.

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Book as a medium, as a marketing medium. And I think for me, I like learning through books, through this book, because I often say that I don't, I hear about people going back to universities, and funnily enough, I was at my university for an event yesterday, but so I don't, I don't necessarily want to do a formal education. That idea doesn't like I loved what, what I did, and I made the most of being there. I don't really need another certificate.

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But then, funnily enough, I didn't, I don't, didn't think about how much I learned, and I'll do it through books. And I do, I read many of many business books, and they start conversations and have ideas. And I think there's you just put more in, like there's much more depth, because otherwise, we have so many pieces of content now, but to get something that's really solid, and then I think as well, a physical book, as

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ebooks are great, but that tangibility and like that. This is out in the world and in where that, like, it's going to go on its journey, and who might get it, and how it might change their life. They come across this book. I think there's something wonderful about that, but that you can really, yeah, go depth, in depth, into ideas. Yeah, yeah. I absolutely. The tangible thing is mine as well. Like, I, I'm a like, we'll listen to podcasts while I'm cooking, while I'm driving, while I'm doing. I love podcasts to listen to, but to to really learn. I like getting the sticky note out, tagging the page, highlighting the word, you know, circling it. And I've, you know, I've just moved and by packing up my library of books,

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I know the ones that I've used over and over again because they are so worn and they've got so many sticky notes in them. And I went, Oh, that's right, I can go back and use that book because so it even by having them tagged. And that's kind of why I hope my book is and I've written it in a way that, you know, there's plenty of white space in there. Write all over it, tag it, use it, highlight it.

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And I and I'm also

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reminding myself that learning through books is also my granddaughter, as I mentioned. You know, I rave about her all the time, but she's in prep, and so they have a reader every night, like a book to read, and having that tactile book to bring home every night. And we turn a page, she sounds outward. She has a go, looks at the picture, so her ability to pick something up, look at it, translate it, create her own stories from it. I think that's magical. Yeah, I get that, and I'm seeing now, learning and through a different perspective. And I went, wow, I've just contributed to that because I've written a book. She's right. Reading a book every night, wow, like that to me, was really a moment earlier this year. I went, Oh, authors do make a difference? Absolutely, they do absolutely. And, yeah, it's,

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it's more to it. There's like, I think there's good, there's got to have that why, and that reason to go through with it. And I know now the answer to this question is not,

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I don't ask you how long it took you to write the book, because writing is one thing. How long was the book process for you? Or how long was the journey? Yeah,

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I started in July. So Jane, my business mentor, has content boot camps, and so she has two to three days support. And I went to Kingscliff in July, and for two days I wrote thought, and she's got a bit of a method, so she helped all of us in the room that to do this method. So I kind of walked away with an outline of my book. In those two days, I had,

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I think I had about 23 ingredients, but I brought it back to the 15 that I think are the most relative.

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And from there, I just tried to then write something every week, but then I got caught up in client delivery. And so

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revenue coming in versus not, you kind of go revenue first. So I kind of paused. Then for a couple of months, I didn't write anything, and then I picked it back up again in November and December, I finished writing and editing with the editor and everything in December, and then with Christmas holidays

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went through. Then the copy, the type setting and everything in February, March. The book came out in April. So it was nine months in duration, but probably about

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three months in if you know, condensed effort over that nine months. But yeah, yeah, you need that time, though. I think to, you know, I think there's some things.

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That happened during that you know, once you've committed, that probably made it better as well. But I just, I think it's so interesting. I don't know about you, but I just keep getting asked how long it took to write it. And I was like, writing is one thing. Yeah, writing's really about 1520

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it's the thinking. Get thinking and

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getting back to, like, you said, Life. So, like, self, I don't know, I'd have a bit of self doubt, or, I don't know, yeah, like, have to run the business that we're running,

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and then, you know, but it's the editing and the actual producing of the book, and then getting the book and then putting in the post. It's like, we've got products now. We gotta get all of that, and then we're still, I believe, I mean, like, you know, there's concept to publication, but you and I very much still in the journey, because now we're getting out into the world, and the promo, promo piece is a different story altogether. Yeah, and then that's backed up with how we can help, because people then resonate with your book, like, they'll, pick up your your book pleasure, and they'll go, oh, I need now to work with Emma, because she can help me in this problem. So then you gotta have your service offerings ready to help them

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fix their problems and kind of that's where I'm at. I'm just reshaping my service offerings based on the feedback. The book's been out since April, people have gone up. We want to work more one on one. We don't really want you to work teams. And I went, Oh, okay, because people telling me they can resonate with the book, but they want help themselves. So I've now created three tier coaching programs, so things like an hour a day and three months. So that's kind of just spend an hour with me, spend a day with me, or spend three months with me.

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And that's been off the back of this book, because I was so focused. You know, that's been my journey. Is working with teams, and now people are going, Ah, can you work with me? And I went, Okay, yeah, sure. Well, how can I help you? Well, I've really resonated with this in the book. And I went, Oh, okay, yeah, we can explore that further. So, yeah. So now I've created one on one service offerings, because that's what people are asking. So great, explore it. You know, when you're creating something out of thin air, it's you should have pushed it on the market. But this is a pool,

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yeah? And now I want to ask the big, the big question, which I ask on, you know, written on the on the front cover of my book, and you've shared a little bit, I think about this in this answer. But what does living a life you love look like now?

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Now it's,

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I Yes, I look at my week as seven days. I'm not a five day a week person, so I look at my life as seven days. So I block time out

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my non negotiables go in my weekly calendar,

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and I look three months in advance. I'll give you an example. So

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Monday afternoons, I pick Willow up from after school, care,

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dinner, bath, everything because her parents are working. So I have her Monday

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I pick her up from school. Tuesday, take her to swim lessons, and then same thing, bath, dinner, ready for when her parents are finished work.

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I might go for Tuesdays. I seem to block out for a lot of business development time, but a lot of flexibility, and then

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have a bit of sport dinner. So they're kind of all my non negotiables, and then I create this space for working with clients and helping people,

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and that, to me, is living my life now. It's kind of

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I changed. It was kind of like be of service first and family second. I've now put family first, being in service second.

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And I think Willow has been the gift that keeps giving. I have a second opportunity

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to embrace what learning and love is really about through the eyes of a child. And although I had my own daughter, it's nothing like, look, see my daughter be a mum. That just lights me up to see my daughter be a mum. Oh, my heart just pounds. So that's the life that I live now and love it.

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It's working with the people that I enjoy working with. It's about having time blocked out for my family that are in the non negotiables.

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But I also have to have time for learning. I'm curious. I'm either going to conferences, reading books, listening to podcasts,

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asking chatgpt about something because I'm curious.

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Yeah, that's kind of my life now, and.

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Getting back into travel very soon.

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Don't know how, but I definitely will. I've had that put aside for a couple of years. That's, that's, that's, that's you, that's your inspiration. For me, Emma,

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maybe a bit quite emotional there with I think, the gift of children in your world, and whether they are your own or you have a close relationship with them, the opportunity to see how they do things. And they are the most beautiful distractions. You know, if they really won't, next to cat and dog, my cat can kind of make me stop, but they force you to stop, and they force you to see the world and to slow down a little bit. And it is different.

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You know, I do see only from my my parents and my in laws and that, yeah, the relationship as a grandparent is different,

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but you're also still very much doing your own thing, and it's wonderful that you found now the harmony and you know, maybe that's more representative of

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the world we're living in as well, that it just maybe wasn't an option years ago. And I see it from my own parents too, that some of the things they

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might have wished for, it just wasn't the way it was done. I had a great life, but, you know,

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wanting more of that time and together. And so it's so wonderful that you you are making it happen now. And what a gift to your daughter as well, to be able to facilitate her working life as well, and so she can enjoy and then you can enjoy your child when you're not trying to juggle everything too. Yeah, it is. And, yeah, I'm very blessed. Actually, I'm, I'm very blessed. My heart's full so I'm, I'm very happy you're blessed, and you are a blessing. JC, it's been wonderful to connect with you over these years, and you're such a wonderful encouragement. I love whenever you pop up. I do wish we would have some more time together. Gosh, the time goes too fast. So next time in Melbourne, we were to get together and get our little book buddies together. But tell us, how can we connect with you? How can we find you?

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LinkedIn, I'm active three times a week, posting three times a week on LinkedIn.

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I website, Jeanette creamo.com.au,

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our

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newsletter comes out every fortnight if you want to jump in and get some free resources. But yeah,

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that's it. And also sometimes on an Instagram, my VA and I have a bit of fun. That's our creative space, and she has a bit of fun there. But something for 2025 I have to put my video online a little bit more, and not just my thinking. So that's a bit of a challenge for me. In 2025

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we've got the content. It's just gotta be, gotta be videoed.

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Start somewhere, and I'll be there cheering you on. Just tag in the comments and cheer you on. And the books, Dacey, we get it on your website. Yes, real project leadership on my website. The book is in the navigation, and yeah, the links in the show notes, thank you. It's been a long time coming. Congratulations. I know what it takes to get here, and yeah, I'm very grateful to have you in my world. Thanks Emma.

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