Embracing Change and Finding Happiness with Bec Chappell

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Speaker 1 0: Do you want to live a life of freedom and adventure? Are you wanting more than the daily grind? Me too. Welcome to the Emma Lovell show, a place where we talk about living a life you love now, I'm your host, Emma Lovell, and my number one value is freedom. I've spent the last 14 years running your business and travelling the world. And now I take my husband and toddler along for the adventure to it's possible and I know you can create a life doing what you truly love as well. This podcast will inspire, motivate and encourage you to go after your dreams to create a life you love and to live it now not wait for retirement or someday in the future. I'll be sharing episodes weekly about how I harmonise business travel and self care. I'll also bring on incredible guests to share their journeys, the winds, the challenges, and how they're creating a life they love. Let's jump in and get dreaming. This is a space for you to manifest a life you would like to acknowledge and recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the first peoples of this place now known as Australia. I am grateful for the continuing care of the land waterways and skies where I work live. Listen, learn and play. From here on you can bear country and from wherever you are listening. I pay my respects to the elders past and present.

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Speaker 2 1: Welcome to today's episode, we're gonna jump in right away with a gorgeous guest back chapel.

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Speaker 1 1: She is a marketing expert and she works his businesses at a foundational level on their marketing. Fun fact about her she's never tried Coca Cola, and Beck is available to connect with at Instagram Beck underscore chapel. That's with two Ps two L's and you can check her out at Beck chappell.com.au. But you know, we're gonna go in and ask back all about what living alive she loves. looks like. It's a fantastic episode. I

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Unknown Speaker 1: can't wait to share it with you.

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Speaker 1 2: Welcome to the podcast back chapel. Hi. Thanks for having me. This isn't our first rodeo. We've done at least for maybe two. Yeah, I wanted to say four. I feel like it's more like six. Yeah, you've been on mine twice. I've been on yours twice. But you haven't been on this one because it's brand

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Unknown Speaker 2: new, which is damn exciting. Thanks for having me on. So fresh. I

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Speaker 1 2: love this. Yeah, one of the early birds is sort of a very free flowing format. But I always like to ask our guests, who are you in your words?

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Speaker 3 2: I am back. I am a very ambitious, fun, strong woman, is how I would describe myself outside of what it is that I actually do. When it comes to what I do. I'm a marketing strategist. And I love working with businesses to implement marketing from a foundational level, rather than just kind of tacking it on as an afterthought.

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Speaker 1 2: Yes, I love it. Since we've met, which was three years ago, you've gone through a lot of change. You know, what I really want to talk about here is the message I have is live a life you'd love. And I think you've been on such a journey to do that. And it's always going to be a journey. And I'm trying to move away from the word of success. Because I think it's not a destination. It's an ongoing thing. But we want to talk about what does living a life you love look like? So what is life look like now? And maybe what did it look like before? We don't just wake up here today. So what what's life like for you right now?

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Speaker 3 3: Yeah, life for me right now is I wouldn't use the word free. I live a very free life now. I live a very happy life. I genuinely in the past two months have really come to this place of happiness that I've to be honest, it's been really tough to get here. But it comes from a place of nothing particularly different happened. I guess it was just a mindset shift. And you know, like I did I have gone through the trenches. And now I think like I'm living this life of I say like, I feel like things are coming to me because I'm I've let go of this whole pressure of what life should look like. And I think that's been the biggest shift for me when we are so so focused and so solely dependent on this belief that we have around what life should look like I think that's when disappointment happens. And that's when we get caught in this trap of but why am I not there yet? And actually letting go of all this belief around I should be richer right now I should I should you know, be married. I should have a kid I should all of these shoulds that like my life was so dependent on years ago. I just don't have them now. And it's not something that I shared quickly. And it's taken a really long time to get to this place now of I'm exactly in life where I'm meant to be and I'm living the exact If I meant to be I have hard days thinking wrong, I still have really hard days. But on the whole, I'm incredibly disciplined with my life. Now I'm incredibly grateful for my life now. And I live in a moment or the moments of my life now, whereas I used to live in the past deeply or in the future. And it's taken a really long time to get here. And I'm sure I'll have to redress this in you know, another three months when something happens, and then life changes again, but this this constant, I guess, gratitude for where I am right now, is probably the underlining message of why I'm so happy.

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Speaker 1 5: Love it. And so yeah, 2019 2020 different for everybody. We all went through a pretty big change. But you as you said, you had a very different life trajectory at that time. So do you mind sharing

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Speaker 3 5: what you did not at all. And I think like, there's a backstory even before that in my life, because I was bought up really, traditionally, get married, find a man have a baby living, you know, the big house with a backyard, be educated. But you know, don't work. Be the stay at home mom, because that's what I was modelled. And I lost. You know, a lot of things happened in my teenage years, I lost a really close friend, that really messed me up in a way that I, when you're really young, you can't actually understand what's actually happening to you. So I went on this real spiral, and I became pretty depressed. And throughout my teenage years, I went through this real thing of I'm not good enough. I'm not enough, I'll never be anything. And I honestly, I couldn't even Picture My Life past 20 I didn't genuinely think I'd make it to 20 Honestly, I didn't. And then I made it to 20. And then 21, my dad passed away. And then, you know, it was like, why is my life so I was really stuck in this focus of woe is me. And I was a victim of my life. And I was like, Oh, bad shit just always happens to me. So it's just always going to happen. And I live with this narrative that, like, I look back now. And it makes me feel so uncomfortable that I live that way. Like, I can still feel it in my chest, even talking about it. And I met my, you know, I met my, to be husband, just after my dad died, and, you know, fell in love very quickly. I did, because that's what I do. By the way, I fall in love very bloody quickly. I'm a lover. And, you know, like, I had this belief that like, that was it, you know, like, life then had to look like marriage and kids and the house. And even when it came to looking for a house and things like it was, you know, it just felt like it was a challenge. The Sydney market was moving quickly. And, you know, I had this real belief around, that's what life look like. And success was a good corporate job. You know, climbing the ladder there, but also being the woman that kept the house clean and kept her husband happy. And then in 2020, all of that fell apart for me. So 2019, I actually was diagnosed with really bad depression from something that had happened in my personal life that I can't really talk about. But something happened that triggered this depression that I hadn't had really, since I was a teenager, I had some pretty awful thoughts going on. In my head, I didn't really want to be living the life. I was living or any life, to be honest. And it's, you know, it's really hard to kind of talk about that. But, you know, it's important, I think, because such part of my journey. And I went and saw this site that changed everything for me. And she started making me really questioning my life, questioning the decisions I was making, questioning the conversations I wasn't having. And that was when I started unpacking this. Is there more to life than just this trajectory that I'm on because I'm deeply miserable. And I look back now, and I completely understand why my marriage fell apart. I was so miserable. I was so miserable. I'm not saying that it was just one sided. There's always I think every marriage has two sides to it. Even when someone cheats. There's there's two sides to every single story as to why relationships end, you know, and I was deeply miserable. And I was deeply miserable with my friendship circle, I felt bullied constantly. And my at the same time as my marriage falling apart and COVID hitting. I also got fired from my job. Something that had never happened, because I'd always been headhunted. And before I knew it, I was sitting on the couch with absolutely nothing. I had a clean slate. And it was interesting how my brain changed the way that I was looking at my situation, because I was like, Well, is this a bit exciting? Because I can do anything with my life now. And I shifted from this this really deep like, you know, there was two nights there in this process where I called lifeline because I was like, I'm at my end. Like, you know, I can't I don't know how to deal with what's happening right now. You know, I didn't have any support. In my mind. I didn't want to tell people Pull about what was really going on for me in my head because it felt like I was failing, I'd been fired, I was about to get divorced, like, the immense feeling of failure was overwhelming. And now I just look back on it. And I'm like, how I can lucky with like, you know, like, life hadn't been happy. And I was given this opportunity to make changes, whereas I think so many people get stuck in, they think that their life can't change because they're fearful of the change. And I think, for whatever reason, I was picked, and I truly think I was picked. And I don't know the reason yet, I'm sure there's a bigger reason that we're all going to find one day, but I was picked to have no choice but to change my life. Because it changed for me. And, you know, I always joke that, like, there's so many people in 2020, that I wish I could send thank you baskets to Google, like, Thank you for gifting me the capability to walk away from that. Or thank you for being so horrible that I had to walk away. And that's not just obviously, with the relationship situation, that was when a lot of situations in 2020. And then look, it hasn't been a smooth ride. Since 2020. It's been, it's been very turbulent, learning to be on my own, after 10 years in a relationship, learning to decide who I am and what it is that I want from my life. And actually, you know, what's really scary when you sit down, you're like, I have my whole life ahead of me what I actually want redressing this, this conversation around kids, because everyone automatically would say to me, Oh, thank god, you guys don't have kids together. But all I could think in my head was that that was my only opportunity for children, because I'm in my 30s. And now I'm pumped. And you know, that it's just such a ridiculous narrative, but these are the narratives that you have to overcome. And, you know, 2021, I went through hell financially trying to, to gain access to money, to be honest from from the separation, and, but the thing that I think that really surprised me was this whole, I knew my worth this entire process. And I was also so compassionate and calm throughout most of it. And I really came at it with this empathy of, we were two people that once upon a time loved each other. And you got to respect someone, regardless of what's happened. You have to respect someone on a human level. And that was the way I've always wanted to walk away from that situation. And I think that's what's made it so easy for me to say, this is the next of my life because I knew that okay, I have no regrets. Because I knew that I constantly came at things with compassion and empathy in situations where other people were like, probably wouldn't have. But you know, it's been absolutely rough ride, like, I've changed my business since then I own the business I started is definitely not the business that I'm in. I mean, I've had to learn how to have a mortgage on my own and bills on my own and do all this stuff on my own that I've never done. Because I was as a child, that was you don't move out to you found someone to be with. And now it's just me on my own. Like, it's an it's a wonderful place that I've landed. But, you know, last year for me, it was truly a pretty depressing year. I went through so much change. And through so much sickness, I think. I think my body was just like, we need arrest after what just happened the last two years prior. And I think a lot of people have that same story, right? Coming out of COVID. It's like their bodies just shut down. Because I like we've just been through hell, like we need. And I went through that I felt really lonely living on my own. I was like, why can't I meet someone and I went through this horrible process of once again, there's something wrong with me. And then you know, now I've actually, I just really don't believe any of that crap. I'm like, I haven't met anyone, because I'm not meant to have met them yet. And I'm just in a real place of surrender. But yeah, it's been, it's been a turbulent ride. And I wouldn't recommend No, actually, you know what I would recommend that, because it's been turbulent, but also the best, the best experience of my life.

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Speaker 1 14: But that's the thing we, you know, I think like with, in this day, we see such the highlights on you know, social media, or you talk to someone, you're only going to get the highlights, so that when you get to sit down and have a deep conversation or a podcast, we get to tell the story. And I just think we're so busy looking at everyone else and going well, they've got it all figured out. And look at them over there. And it's like that they had to get there. You don't wake up here, you know, where you are, and through the good decisions and they're not so great through the the winds and the failures. That's what makes us who we are today. And, you know, and then it's an evolution like it's, you know, we don't go cool. I've made it as probably been one of my fears, to be honest. It's a weird fear of I've actually been told to have a fear of happiness and a fear of success like

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Speaker 3 15: that's really common, you know. And I think the other thing I want to highlight as well, yes, I often say like I was gifted this opportunity to read, you know, I was one of the lucky ones that it actually wasn't my choice to make those choices. But it was my choice. Like, even when you think you have no choice, you have a choice, you know, and I think I've been pulled up a lot of times by saying, Oh, I was so lucky that like, life, threw me this curveball. And a lot of people pull me up. And they're like, No, you made good choices. You made really smart decisions in really short situations. And that's why you're here. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I did. I made I had to make the hard decisions. I had to do the things that tore my heart apart, like genuinely I like, even with thinking back to it, I can feel the pain like that. And I think it's something that stays with you when you, you know, like, my separation was really prolonged grief, like there was so it took so long. And it was, it was so drawn out, and there was so much grief in it. And I had this real, it was just this real journey. But unlike when my dad had died, or my friend had died, I faced it head on. And I think that's why like, I can always remember the pain, like I can feel it in my heart. And I think I always will. But it's not from a point of there's no hate for it, or there's no like regret or there's no it's just like, Oh, that was like, That was hard. But like, you know, we came out the vibe and like, I'm glad it hurt that much because it meant I cared that much. And I loved someone that much right? Like, and constantly just reframing it to how lucky was i To love someone that it hurt that much to lose them?

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Speaker 1 16: Yeah. Yeah, everybody gets. Yeah, but you're right. Like

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Speaker 3 16: no one just wakes up successful, if that's what you want to call it, like, even the people that we think like, you know, we stay in, like, for example, I was looking at influencer this morning on Instagram that I sent to one of my teammates. I'm like, You're gonna love this chick? Because you know, he's a bit of a perv. But you know, and he did. And, you know, even her, she's deeply successful. She didn't get there from doing nothing like she would have had so many moments where the imposter kicked in, where she was like, Oh, my God, why am I doing this, but it's that constant discipline to keep going. And I think that's the thing. That's the difference between the people that live the life they love. And the people that kind of get stuck in the, I guess, the rat race or get stuck on the hamster wheel,

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Speaker 1 17: the what I've been given, like, you get what you're given kind of thing. And it's like, no, this is what as you said, it should be or it's expected to be. And it is up to sometimes making hard decisions or tough decisions. So when, you know, my sort of, I guess framework for how I'm living a life I love, it's bringing together the business and the travel and the self care. So I'd love to talk to you about those topics. Hey, lovely, I truly believe it's your time to shine. To build your business, you need to know the right steps to take at the right time. And I know it can feel so overwhelming trying to figure out what to do next, when there's so many things to do. That's why I offer the Hour of Power is one hour where we get clear actions that you can take to start building your business today. You can use this session to get advice, review content, build strategies, or work through mindset blocks, we could simply talk about what you want to do next, what you want to attract into your life, and how you could actually bring more travel and enjoyment into your life. It's whatever you need, this is your time. And I'm here to back you every step of the way. So let's hit you up for massive success. Check it out the Hour of Power, you can find it on my website, Emma lovell.au forward slash work with me. Check out the show notes. And if you're interested at all, please do contact me. You can also get me at Emma at Emma lovell.au. Now back to the episode. So for the business, let's talk about what the business looks like. But also how did you you know, you sort of go I got made redundant I started a business not everyone makes that leap from that, you know? You know I would I would love to start another business today. Let's have three Why don't we have three? How many paths we need? We can have three? Let's do that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3 19: Do you have any podcast ideas? I have my head daily. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1 19: But you know what? I need you to go. Alright, well, that's enough. You know, employment for me. Let me try to give this thing

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Speaker 3 19: all right. Okay. I think I think there's a few factors here. One being that I have a very different view of risk and then the average person as you know, I don't notice it. I do I will never jump out of a plane but when it comes to things like major life choices My whole thing is, well, what's the worst that could happen? And I truly I think because to be honest, I was diagnosed with, like catastrophize errs syndrome. I don't know people might be aware of it. If you're not, you can Google it. It's, it's a legit thing. And I think when I had to go through actually overcoming that in my 20s, because it was, it was causing me chronic pain, panic attacks and anxiety, I've gone the other direction. Like, I've actually shifted so deeply into the, oh, how bad could it get? Like, there's always there's always avenues, you know what I mean? Like, go I truly believe there's always avenues, like always, so I think I sat on my lounge, and I was looking at jobs, I had a recruiter call me and they were like, because start pandemic, right? No jobs, everyone's freaking out. I had a recruiter call me and offered me a marketing coordinator role for like, 50k. And I was like, ah, that's less than half of what I was earning, cuz obviously, I was doing incredibly well, in corporate, like, you know, I'd gotten to the pretty, pretty top of my game. Oh, there was, there's always more to go. But like I was up there. You know, I was a marketing manager CMO, like, and I was looking at these roles. And I was like, There's nothing I want to do there. I'm seeing other people open their own business. I was literally at a friend's business opening. And I was like, I've always thought about consulting, like, why are starting my own business? Like, why can't I do that? And I think for me, there is this belief of, well, why can't I do that? Why can't I do what that person's doing? Because I don't, I truly don't think I suffer from I look, I get moments of impostor syndrome. But I do think I'm very blessed with this natural confidence that I'm deeply insecure in a lot of ways, but I don't let insecurities or impostor syndrome or anything kind of stopped me doing shit. Because I'm like, Well, I want it. So I'll just make it happen. And I know that that's a very unique skill. And I wish I could give you the magic ingredients as to how I am like that, because I think it'd be really handy for a lot of people. But I do recognise that I have a skill that a lot of people don't have in that regard. Like a lot of people won't just put themselves out there. But also I truly don't give a fuck what anyone thinks. And I think that's the other side of it, too. Like, I swore again. But I think like, it's really important. If you if you spend your whole life worrying about what someone thinks about your what, you know, I put a video out to the world last week saying I wanted to find love. And of course, there was this thing in my head going, Oh my god. Imagine if your old world sees this. They're gonna be like, of course, she hasn't met anyone, right ever. And I'm like, it gives a fuck, they don't even know me now. They don't know me. They can't judge me. And you know, what if they do judge me what a waste of their time. And I truly believe in that because I'm like, I don't have enough time. Genuinely, I don't have enough time or energy to judge anyone actually don't give a shit what anyone else is doing. I truly don't. I love people and I support them and I will get behind them and cheerlead them. Or if I'm not behind the cause, I just quietly don't do anything about it. But I don't have enough energy to hate someone. And I certainly don't have enough energy to like, judge people. And I guess I just assumed people would say, but I know they're not. But I also don't have enough energy to care what someone else thinks about me. I truly don't.

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Speaker 1 23: So you were like, alright, we'll start the business. Yeah, it was like, let's

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Speaker 3 23: just see what happens. And then, you know, in a way that sort of has always kind of happened in my life. I put something out there. And she comes back to me, and I think it's because I'm naturally probably pretty positive too, like my second strength in the Gallup Clifton Strengths. If anyone's done it is positivity. So once again, communication positivity. Like, is it really? Yeah, that's why we get along so well.

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Speaker 1 23: Yeah, my third one, which of course, is my fourth one is Whoa, how good is winning over others?

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Speaker 3 23: Yeah. Which like, you know, obviously, we both have that. But I think like, and I think you know, that positivity, strength, like I didn't even know these strengths. By the way, when I started my business, it was just something that like, happy accident that I even found them out. But I think it's, it's probably part of the reason why I don't let stuff hold me back. If I really want to do something, I'll just go for it. And I make up look, I you know, I recently signed up for a marathon with 10 weeks training, which like, I look back now, I'm like, That was truly stupid, and actually quite dangerous. But I did it. So, you know, and I think my life is, is probably a whole bunch of risks that some of them pay off and some of them certainly don't. And I think you know, like, it's about having that knife like if you want something, go for it.

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Speaker 1 24: No, but I you know, I started my business journey on naivety and ignorance so I think that's sort of the way I will not to be so like there are other people who go out with such a plan and plan it to the nth degree and under your marketing you know, you make marketing plan C like love a plan, but I think but you If you're like if you're so you know, sometimes the plan and the needing of a plan and the needing of the direction can actually hold you back,

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Speaker 3 25: you have to be flexible because so I've got a saying that has literally probably why I am the way that I am. Make a plan but understand the plan will never go to fruition like no plan ever goes to plan ever. I don't care how well planned you are no plans ever in the history of humanity ever gone to plan, ever. There's always been little steps along the way. So the people that are so regimented in the plan, and don't foresee the fact that hey, x y Zed could happen because x y Zed will happen 100% Ask anyone that's planned a wedding? Has your wedding day, ever gone to plan promised to you? Have you planned an event and your event ever gone perfectly to the Run sheets?

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Speaker 1 25: There's always a variable that you could not cannot like, you know, I was working on a track that was going to Bhutan. And there was a typhoon. And then I'm going on and up future trick. And they'd done the risk assessment and I said, have you done a risk assessment? Have you including the risk assessment, the possibility of a typhoon, Hurricane tornado? I don't know anything like that? Like? No, I was like, well, past experience tells us there was a typhoon. So I would like you to include that in the risk assessment.

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Speaker 3 26: I think you if you want to live a happier life. Stop being so attached to plans like definitely, I'm all for playing God, I'm a strategist for Christ's sakes. But the happiest people on this planet, I truly believe are the ones that are flexible in their thinking. Yeah, and I think if you're not flexible and curious in your thinking, you don't allow for happiness to be available to you.

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Speaker 1 26: And maybe it's going back to them that you know, in terms of the living the life that you love, like, I guess it's like, what's the goal, then, and then what is and the goals can change. And sometimes it's very, the goal could be quite simple and small, and it could be to run the marathon. It could be to you know, buy the house, it could be to match your former income in the business it could be to travel the world, whatever it looks like for you. But, um, you know, do you have some some goals in place? And, you know, what does? You know, we sort of said you kind of living this life now.

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Speaker 3 27: And you know, having this running this business for you fantastic, sort of what do you think aspirationally? Because it's lovely to have some aspirations and goals, what does it look like moving forward, then I want to be so honest with the audience because I'm, I'm so about transparency and honesty, because of the Instagram, everything is perfect. I went from 2020 till probably four months ago, without the ability to goal set, because I didn't probably I think there was a part of me that didn't believe I deserved it. didn't believe I deserved anything, because, you know, my life had been so riddled with just crap. I was like, you know, anything I want in my life will I find joy, like, and that was a huge thing for me. And I love the word joy. I think joy is a really beautiful word. And just recently, I sat down and I was like, What do I want from my life? And what, you know, what are the things that I really want to be doing? And it made me recalibrate my business, it made me you know, I'm probably pretty picky about who I work with now, but it also made me realise like, you do need to go set to a point like there are things like you know, I'm I've signed up to do UTA next year, like that's a huge goal for me. Once I do that, I know it's gonna be really painful. Maybe less painful than a marathon but we'll say what? Huh? Oh, eta, it's an Ultra Trail run in the Blue Mountains here. So like the last kilometre of it is literally like 1000 Meeting climb, like it's, it's serious, quite a serious race quite hard from what I hear. And you know, the other thing I really want, like I want their healthy loving relationship, I really want to meet my equal. I'm so open to it. And it makes me really emotional that I haven't met someone yet because I truly didn't think it would take me this long. But that also the other thing that I love about the fact that it's taking me this long, it means I'm being really selective. And I don't want to ever give up my single life for someone that's not truly my equal and that I can't love as deeply as they love me like, I know now finally, that I'm deserving of love and things like that. So you know, I have a huge goal around meeting that person. I have a huge goal around getting some grass for Toby because bless his little cotton socks, he doesn't deserve to live in a three bedroom apartment for the rest of his life. In my Bobby, I have a real goal around moving to the beach. I definitely wouldn't do that in my life. I don't have a timeline of when and I really want to have some financial freedom. I don't want to be constantly looking at the next bill feeling a bit sick. You know, like it has been a big shift having a mortgage on my own in it. Time where interest rates have gone absolutely bonkers. But I also had to buy in a peak Sydney market. It has been really hard, being financially independent on my own, it is something I've never had to do before. And it's something that I am so adamant, you know, like, there are plenty people in my life that could probably give me handouts and look after me, but I am so adamant that I want to do this on my own. And you know, I want to be the educated female, when it comes to finances, because, you know, I think so many of us don't get that education. When we grew up, I knew I didn't, and I had a real belief around money that I'll shoot with money, so I could never possibly manage my money and things. And, you know, I finally feel like I'm getting on top of that. And I also really want my podcast to grow, and I want my speaker profile to grow. I think I have a lot to give back to the world. And it is about giving back. It's not about me, I actually, I absolutely love when people resonate with my story. Well, you know, they reach out to me on Instagram, they're like, Fuck, you're so real. And you know, I talk about the pain. And I talk about the fact that your life is hard. And I talk about the fact that I've had depression, anxiety, you know, I've been through a bloody divorce. Like, you know, I've been fired for God's sakes, and I'm not, you know, people would look at me from the outside be like smart, successful woman, you know, like, I opened it saying, I remember, I'm ambitious, fun and strong, and I am all of those things. But it doesn't mean that I haven't come up against times where I've felt completely broken, you know, and I think I have a real goal to try and like, help anyone, men, women, anyone understand that? Like, sometimes it's when we're in the shittiest phases of our life, that we actually get given this gift of re evaluating where we're at. And, yeah, it's not, you know, it'll come in, I'm sure that will all sort of happened. But also, I have just love helping people at the moment, the way that I make money and help people at moment is just empowering them with their business, you know, because the more people I can help spread the word about their business, the more impact they make, and the better the world is, right.

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