Wellness Travel with Neil Sullivan

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00:01:24: Hello and welcome to the podcast today.

00:01:26: I am so delighted, And have been genuinely excited for this conversation with Neil O'Sullivan.

00:01:33: Welcome everybody.

00:01:34: Thanks for having me

00:01:36: Now Neil.

00:01:37: i always like to ask our guests The existential question To kick us off of who are you in your words?

00:01:43: You know what i love This as well.

00:01:45: coming from corporate used Always go to an event where they house would read out the person's bio.

00:01:50: And I always love it when they flip on the other side and go, well why don't you tell us about you?

00:01:55: And i'll try to keep a brief.

00:01:57: but who am I?

00:01:58: I'm an Irish man if that's not already obvious!

00:02:02: I've been in Australia since twenty eleven...I come from a corporate background..not for profit marketing communications PR....and then lastly in advertising.

00:02:13: I was a semi-professional soccer player.

00:02:16: I am a mental health advocate.

00:02:17: I struggle with a few different mental health conditions like depression, anxiety and panic attacks the gruesome threesome i call them.

00:02:24: And I started Nimbus in two thousand sixteen which is now everything it's my life And I had been working in corporate at the same time and about five years into The advertising role that I was in.

00:02:37: you know nimbus just continued to grow and grow and then eventually Pressed the button to kind of jump ship and go fully into the entrepreneurial thing.

00:02:45: Actually, a question I get asked a lot around.

00:02:48: You know it's the old adage of like should you just quit your job and go for it or should you wait until he gets to a certain size?

00:02:56: And that is a tricky one to answer but i think in my own story I would say if it wasn't from my corporate job on those early days... ...I don't think we would have gotten thus far!

00:03:07: It's one thing to say oh failure is easy and quit your Job and Have That Hunger which I do agree with.

00:03:14: It's different when you're trying to pay bills and if your got a partner or kids, things like that.

00:03:20: I would just say people be wary of doing it that way You'd want.

00:03:24: make sure they don't have much risk in their own personal life before.

00:03:28: Basically the way I was gonna answer that is like if you're young and still maybe or straight out of uni It's probably a bit safer to do it back then Versus when your in your turkeys, never family.

00:03:39: Let say so yeah Yeah, I owed a lot my corporate job on the early days because they paid for everything.

00:03:44: My wife Sue who's our co-founder at Nimbus?

00:03:47: She's really the brains behind operation but she doesn't like the limelight unlike me.

00:03:52: So uh... You don't see her face on things much.

00:03:58: Well, she is the boss really behind everything in creative direction and productisation.

00:04:03: She's a nutritionist by trade so all of our products that we do stem from her science background or nutritional point-of view.

00:04:14: That kind of represents every single aspect of Nimbus Everything from materials used to third party products that stock on ourselves.

00:04:24: it has to go past and she is that kind of aesthetic, also the health side of things.

00:04:31: That we won't do anything or won't put her name to anything even like working with a brand unless they share the same values of Nimbus.

00:04:38: We just don't tend to work that way.

00:04:40: And that's meant that we've had a slow growth I would say Even though we were first saw on a studio in Australia In twenty sixteen and fast forwarded.

00:04:49: today We have seven almost eight within new studio coming to WA for any of The West Coasters listening.

00:04:57: So, it's been a journey.

00:04:58: It is not easy and like small businesses under a lot of pressure now in all industries we actually acquired the competitor of ours last year who went into liquidation.

00:05:09: so its not easier there especially if you are on service game to kind wrap up.

00:05:13: answer this first question.

00:05:16: That's why we, in the last couple of years started to expand into this kind of e-commerce arm.

00:05:21: We have our own beauty range with Sue designs crates and packages here in Australia as well a sauna range.

00:05:27: so actually sell saunas now at homes.

00:05:29: also businesses designed bespoke saunahs from scratch.

00:05:35: that then led.

00:05:36: it is more consultant part.

00:05:38: what do you sense taking nimbus on what learned over ten year industry to any kind of scenario.

00:05:47: It could be someone's home for sure, but it also could be a residential apartment block who I'm working with at the moment down in Melbourne.

00:05:54: around every new build i think in the country is thinking about wellness.

00:05:58: But its one thing to think about wellness if thats not your wheelhouse.

00:06:02: there are alot of pitfalls If you don't know what you're doing and comes into very small nuances.

00:06:07: And that's kinda the gap we fit in.

00:06:09: We've been through muck and dirty towels block showers and all kinds of everything, we've kind of tried it also.

00:06:17: We're now I suppose relaying that IP... And that's what gets me really exciting about Nimbus is that we are not reliant on the four walls or studios anymore but we can kinda ripple Nimbous out across a whole Australian hopefully one day in entire world.

00:06:32: I love it, i love the vision.

00:06:34: I love your honesty Neal as well and I think its always sort of people we don't expect.

00:06:40: And you see but I've had my own mental health journey.

00:06:44: Aswell It's a forget because it is your story.

00:06:47: You have been through it But in my book where I tell that part when Im doing talk.

00:06:54: That surprises them Because this doesn't look like You never know who the journey is, and I think

00:07:01: often we talk about it.

00:07:05: Yeah yeah... Often the way a mental health.

00:07:06: and not to sound too egotistical with her.

00:07:10: but you know i've always felt like maybe have a little bit of a gift with my senaia in the sense that i really don't care what people think of me?

00:07:18: And i wasn't always like that!

00:07:20: But y'know shame isn't as much And hopefully you can help somebody out there to feel like well if he can share it and not care what then so can I?

00:07:33: So, There is something they're kind of That i think It Can really resonate with the average person that we all suffer With in some shape or form.

00:07:43: Some people don't and If You Don't that's great.

00:07:44: some of this Circumstantial Which Is Fine Like Things Are Grieving and things are that totally natural.

00:07:50: but um if it is Kind Of More Systemic Being open about it and talking to someone is often the hardest thing to do.

00:07:57: but It's a very important first step because I always say if you don't tell other people About what goes on with you?

00:08:05: How are they going to be able to help you?

00:08:06: And often, If You Tell People Around You They're Actually The First People To Notice Something More So Than Your Own Self Because You're Stuck In Your Lane Whereas Someone Might Say To You Oh Well.

00:08:15: You're Not Coming Out As Much Or You've Been A Bit Short With Me or Maybe You'Re Not Eating The Way You Are You're not Training as much.

00:08:21: They're the ones that go, are you actually okay mate?

00:08:24: And thats magic stuff.

00:08:26: So thats why its so important to speak about it.

00:08:30: Yeah and if we were talking wellness then our mind is one of first places where should be looking.

00:08:38: We met at a wonderful event that you hosted, at Nimbus in Bondi.

00:08:44: So I'm often in Sydney and down the road in Koji And it was so wonderful to come see your fabulous premises but also that you posted an event In conjunction with Heaven's portfolio all around wellness travel!

00:08:58: And i think we're hearing this word about wellness so much.

00:09:03: Can you tell us a little bit more about how, I guess at a core like Nimbus and people who come to see what are doing in that wellness space there?

00:09:13: Yeah look we started from our private studio perspective.

00:09:17: We hung out hard on infrared but nowadays the wellness industry is just moving at an exponential level.

00:09:22: it's hot right now.

00:09:24: excuse the pun but you know infrared traditional communal private LED light therapy IV therapy flow tanks You know, the list goes on and on.

00:09:34: So there is a challenge in being across everything but also trying to decide what kind of services best suits your own community?

00:09:44: And let's say that they're at large... That's it!

00:09:46: A very tricky thing because operations sometimes things like flow tanks for example are quite difficult to operationalize.

00:09:53: so unless you have really strong infrastructure space or something like that They can actually put pressure on you as small business.

00:10:01: From a travel perspective, it's just hard to keep up.

00:10:06: I think five years ago even taking things like Airbnbs or hotels very few would have saunas in situ.

00:10:17: nowadays its changed and growing fast.

00:10:21: the added layer i'd say is wanting to have a sauna there.

00:10:25: what ive found sometimes with hoteliers around the world They'll put a sauna or something like that in because it's the thing to do.

00:10:35: I'm putting on an you know Intermediary level down-the-back In a space.

00:10:42: That's never utilized doesn't solve The equation in terms of providing your service, let's go and add To your hotel.

00:10:51: Let's say so It's wanting to want to do what?

00:10:59: the boring stuff.

00:11:01: Yes, The design of us on anything that has the fun part and picking lights and timber and all those is like the fun fact.

00:11:09: but we look at things Like what's the proximity to the lobby?

00:11:13: How do they get there?

00:11:14: What's the flow?

00:11:15: hows it going to get clean?

00:11:16: who's gonna operationalize It?

00:11:18: can't I listen to their own music?

00:11:19: when then there?

00:11:20: or is it Gonna be generic Music?

00:11:22: Is there any protocols for them to dive into?

00:11:25: what did i do When They go back To Their room?

00:11:26: What Did They Do When They Go Back To Their Own country or home, whether it's in an international location.

00:11:32: It's all those things that come into it because otherwise what will happen is you'll get people using it once and then they won't use it again And then we would just sit there idle.

00:11:42: We have come across quite a number of these things.

00:11:44: So I think hotels are getting really good out here In Australia as well Not only providing the amenity at hotel level but Providing an immunity inside the hotel room.

00:11:59: So if you were to look at hotels, for example a few years ago And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this This is great because you go to a hotel to relax lie on the bed eat room service and watch a movie.

00:12:11: There was absolutely nothing wrong with that.

00:12:14: but A lot of hotels now are looking out like sleep quality.

00:12:18: How can we improve the heat or the sleep quality?

00:12:21: Inside the room which goes into the heat the temperatures humidity said dehumidifiers certain sleep pillows, soundscapes that you can listen to when your in there.

00:12:33: Even the type of fabric thats in bed like its great.

00:12:36: to see hotels doing that.

00:12:37: we're working with a hotel at Sydney who integrated our own Nimbus products as seen on studios things face oils body oil dry body brush washers sauna bags sleeping bag kind of thing LED masks and compression boots.

00:12:55: So we're kind of going like to a whole other level in the sense that you can order those amenities into the comfort of your own room and You can still watch a movie, but have room service.

00:13:06: But then there's two ways how I see wellness impacts hotel stayers.

00:13:25: CEO, C-suite travels around the world and there's go!

00:13:27: Go!

00:13:28: Go!".

00:13:29: And having a moment with compression boots an LED.

00:13:32: Having some electrolytes if they're flying a lot very important to them from personal and professional point of view.

00:13:38: whereas you've burned the candle hard have few drinks that are fine as well.

00:13:42: again having an electrolyte or having recovery built into your experience Are the reasons why people will pick your hotel over next one.

00:13:54: Yeah, obviously the level of a service to quality experience and accessibility they all convince when if you don't take all those boxes.

00:14:02: I often think then it can become a bit piecemeal and that's what we want avoid especially for investing money into Oh yeah, and I think

00:14:11: it's something that i brought up on the day.

00:14:13: That I just think sometimes is really plonked in there.

00:14:16: It's really like so they can tick the box of saying we have a spa or We Have A Sauna Or We Can Meet This Level Of Category.

00:14:24: But I Just Stayed At A Hotel In India And They... Yeah The Layout Of The Hotel Was Just Awful.

00:14:31: Like You To Go Through This Weird Conferency Area but It Wasn't A Conference Area to Get Outside to get onto a patio, to get upstairs to pool where there's like half concrete building that goes to nowhere.

00:14:45: So you're lying by the pool but you've got this thing and then the gym wasn't near the pools.

00:14:51: so they need to go down level two again.

00:14:53: it was weird corporatey area... It just isn't really thought through.

00:14:59: yes You know, you've had this nice lie by the pool and then like back into this weird dark hovel.

00:15:10: And so it's not thought out and I think there are so many more people traveling for multiple reasons.

00:15:16: um...and this is The Pleasure.

00:15:19: but even in some places if i have a young child People think about family.

00:15:23: So they're travelling to business They're travelling For Leisure Traveling as couples.

00:15:28: There might be travelling with a family and still want to go To the gym Still wanna have a relax.

00:15:33: They still want their children to have entertainment and they want somewhere to do the work, but rest.

00:15:40: To feel rested in that space you know?

00:15:43: And so they kind of have to be multi-purpose or with it flowing through That's... The biggest jarring thing is going.

00:15:54: we have a spa.

00:15:54: We've got like... It's literally just a room.

00:16:01: that final piece is largely missing i find in hotels and accommodation around the world because you're right like even if you go.

00:16:09: we've had this scenario where we've gone across european places like that.

00:16:12: um, I think age is really good.

00:16:14: In terms of best-in class here but still... You go to a hotel ,you know.. A couple ...You have a child One of you wants to go to the gym.

00:16:23: That means the other one has to stay And look after your child.

00:16:27: If he wanna get down into a pill your child has to go into bed, one of you have to go back.

00:16:32: You can find ways around that but usually it's very ad hoc and unofficial.

00:16:36: if he could get a nanny from her friend who used them before they come in as their hotel room like...you can get ways around this But its usually all done by closed doors.

00:16:46: whereas If take some total fusion which is I don't even think i'd call it a gym..but based on Brisbane I spruke them all the time even though i'm not paid by them, but they have a crash on site and it's such small detail.

00:17:03: It is probably costly service to provide because you can bring your child leave there for forty five minutes in safe environment.

00:17:15: go have work out come back phenomenal that just gets rid of barrier entry.

00:17:21: so much makes me go back no one else really doing.

00:17:26: and to provide that level of service.

00:17:28: really make sure experience way, way beyond anything else you can get.

00:17:33: That even trickles down like at an Airbnb-level.

00:17:38: You do find a lot of Airbnbs now have some wellness piece especially in the country for stays where they'll have a sauna on site.

00:17:46: And if you have two like airbnbs one has a sauna One doesn't.

00:17:51: Who are your gonna go?

00:17:55: It's amazing what it can do and I talk about how we work with businesses in two senses.

00:18:02: We have the straight up any kind of business where yet you could put a saw on an accountancy firm or bank, anything like that And will help staff to be healthier.

00:18:11: Gallup research says if your investing wellness for employees Your profitability would go by minimum twenty percent.

00:18:18: You know?

00:18:19: That is not even taking into account The health benefits.

00:18:24: the other business, which is what we're talking about hotels co-working spaces things like that gyms.

00:18:29: by putting wellness into them authentically and in the right way.

00:18:34: Not only are you making people healthy again?

00:18:36: Yes You Are!

00:18:36: Which causes this ripple effect?

00:18:38: but actually helping them to retain customers attract customers create that loyalty factor.

00:18:46: so they think even off a nine thousand dollar sauna just put it context Like I've done the math on that if you were using it full time in a hotel environment, In two weeks.

00:18:56: It would have paid for itself.

00:18:58: and What other assets are out there?

00:19:01: That can return that investment so quickly You know does not many?

00:19:05: And like he said they're even the products.

00:19:08: and then that could be A real difference into this day and thoughtful and look um i'm a mystery shopper So that's one of my fun.

00:19:16: That's a great job.

00:19:17: Yeah The little extra thing I do is One Of My Roles is to go around and stay in hotels, you know experience them.

00:19:27: Tough life.

00:19:27: I know someone's got to do it but one of the places we went they had bath salts And my son was just so delighted...I mean We were delighted But So Delighted by this Fabulous Bath!

00:19:40: Then that They Had The Bath Salt Of a premium quality Of enough That You Could Actually Use Not Some Tiny Little Plastic Sachet Like In A Tub a candle there like and so just made this bath experience.

00:19:53: So lovely, one of the questions that I have to you know criteria is were any of the

00:19:59: products

00:20:00: unusual or different?

00:20:01: because you always get your soap, your this, your that?

00:20:03: Like imagine putting in face mask or something like that!

00:20:07: You know what all...I've got this calming spray which spritzes your face isn't

00:20:10: it?!

00:20:11: This tiny little spray how much more refreshed i

00:20:14: feel??

00:20:15: It's just few things for having an

00:20:17: eye mask

00:20:18: there that people could use, you know we used to on planes get eye masks and I asked for one the other day in economy.

00:20:24: And they gave me one but it was like gosh that used to make a difference when you got your little toothbrush and your eye mask and your socks and that comfort level... But its all gone!

00:20:33: It's just like.. A few little extras Just lift their experience and Make them feel taken care of Which then give you habits To take care.

00:20:43: so we were like oh i have to use the bath because theres bath salts

00:20:48: Exactly.

00:20:48: And look, there's a strange analogy I'm going to reference here that the McDonalds model... ...I learned this off of marketing grew many years ago and McDonald stays open.

00:20:57: twenty four seven mostly fishing highways and things like that.

00:21:00: not because they make money at that time.

00:21:02: it's a psychological thing knowing that They're always opened.

00:21:06: when you are in a tricky place You're always gonna go to McDonald's cuz'you know That It is Open.

00:21:11: and if The same Thing as your saying There Like We Talk A Lot About This With Them Its The One Percenters that make the difference.

00:21:18: And yeah, it is a shame to lot of brands are obviously getting rid of those probably from a cost perspective which is understandable and there isn't cause them.

00:21:27: you know we provide snacks and sundried fruit and nuts in things like Anna.

00:21:32: We always have our vanity stock with their product on.

00:21:34: that has a cost too at business level but they're also the reason.

00:21:38: so maybe be like literally...we had a comment in our client survey last year saying We we I think were in between coconut water Suppliers and someone said, oh start coming back when you start resupplying coconut.

00:21:53: Water like.

00:21:56: And had another lady who told me on an email one time saying if You provided chilled sparkling water because she got it somewhere else?

00:22:05: You know untapped like a sparkly.

00:22:07: and she said that's literally why I go to that place and i was just going gosh Like.

00:22:12: It's Just the most Tiny tiny details.

00:22:15: and if you think about hotels, right?

00:22:17: And correct me.

00:22:17: If you think I'm wrong but I have a big gripe with A lot of the hotel amenities in that extends into flights and business class immunity kits and things like That where it's largely the same run-of-the-mill stuff.

00:22:29: You get shampoo or conditioner...you might Get a hand balm.

00:22:32: then you got nail file shower cap sewing kit unlike Honestly, how much money did they spend on those little bits and bobs?

00:22:43: But how often do you use them?

00:22:44: like hardly ever right.

00:22:47: So with the hotel that we're working in Manly We took our face oil Our body oil.

00:22:52: my wife also owns foil And I have a skincare brand.

00:22:55: it's like cleansers.

00:22:57: They have a vitamin C serum A daily jelly moisturizer.

00:23:06: Obviously it was our product, but I said wouldn't that be so much better if you had those face oils on a dispenser in the bathroom?

00:23:13: So not only do get your shampoo and so forth which people almost expect.

00:23:16: But imagine getting these other things That just enhance your experience at hold or level like imagine having a free face oil.

00:23:23: I know that they're the environmental way, sometimes

00:23:27: why are there not doing things?

00:23:31: but if it was a quality thing.

00:23:33: So fine put your shampoos and your conditions in your body lotions in the squishies on thing that you're going to keep using and then take away, those things can last quite a while.

00:23:46: Yeah!

00:23:47: And thats what we were saying at the hotel is like if someone takes it away... That's

00:23:50: fine!!

00:23:51: You just charge into their room..and they put in a new bottle....And If They Don't Take It What Your Cleaners Can Do Is Like Because We Have Big Bats.

00:23:57: You Know You Just Come And You Re-Fill It And Then You Take All That Wastage Out And Even Some Of The Five Star Even Six Star Hotels.

00:24:04: You Still Go To Them And They'll Have Shampoo In A Plastic Bottle.

00:24:07: You know you think of the wastage and what would be impacts on that at an environmental level or how many of those bottles do use maybe half of this three quarters.

00:24:16: And then the rest just go to waste.

00:24:17: is where's he been doing with that kind of dispensary approach which it can be done outside of the champagne conditioner?

00:24:24: your products gonna last longer?

00:24:25: you're going to cut out wasted.

00:24:26: just gonna save me money in the long run like its just better for everyone.

00:24:30: i'm not so big thing but often his misconception when it comes too behaviors from a retail brand perspective as they think oh well you can't be ethical and.

00:24:42: It's gonna cost more?

00:24:43: no and it's not necessarily the truth.

00:24:46: you couldn't.

00:24:46: you could be ethical in all those things that i can actually improve your business, your up x on your expenses not not add to them if u do right.

00:24:55: so yeah there is still so much scope.

00:24:57: their service level i think You're right.

00:25:01: many brands are not doing it, but those that will do and we'll stay doing that I think.

00:25:06: the ones they've got a last longer

00:25:08: And you can remember them?

00:25:09: Then you gonna want to come back.

00:25:10: Can i just vote for client who's about To host her retreat in india and they've invested in getting you know custom well like custom printed yoga mats and yoga tools because They need to use those on the yoga retreat and so of course That was an additional expense and of course It Was a bit more.

00:25:29: But I said That is going to stay with them.

00:25:31: They're gonna have that story of taking that thing away, it's relevant to what you are doing.

00:25:36: It was made in the country where you were which is lovely to support them.

00:25:39: Its got like a little logo or custom for your work But they will use this.

00:25:45: and then we talked about in the wellness travel panel.

00:25:54: how do we continue that wellness after?

00:25:56: Because all well and good to go away, have this wonderful retreat or got at a fabulous hotel.

00:26:00: How can you take the experience

00:26:01: away?".

00:26:02: And I think it could be simple.

00:26:03: one of things is right here on my little candle so its rest to receive...and then i say them!

00:26:13: You get the scent like the reminder..this becomes part your practice.

00:26:18: put the candle in if want keep longer just sniff it new weirdo.

00:26:23: But put that on.

00:26:24: and then it's like this instant, I'm going to relax now.

00:26:28: And not...I can't give everyone a massage all the time.

00:26:31: we don't always have places where they can do that.

00:26:33: It takes up a lot of time to be honest in retreat.

00:26:36: So i give them their face mask and its like.

00:26:38: Have a little pamper In your room when you want too Just..its sort of little thing.

00:26:44: but Then They go oh well I could buy myself A Face Mask or Oh That was so nice!

00:26:51: do the nice thing and it becomes a practice.

00:26:54: So how, you know?

00:26:56: You've got that thing now of translating outside of...you have got the Nimbus Studios but like..how then are you helping to make sure people can continue their wellness journey without having always go to physical place to do

00:27:09: wellness?".

00:27:10: Well thats'a very good point.

00:27:12: yeah because we invested alot times several years ago around this exact point about okay You know tingle that the five senses aware because when it comes to an experience We experienced things whether it's good or bad through our senses, so we can see touch smell you Know all those kind of things and yes.

00:27:32: We can control that at a studio level which we do.

00:27:35: And even though people are subconscious he won't even know.

00:27:38: but everything from your smell There's a lot of inspiration that we talk Even from industries like gambling.

00:27:44: what if you think of casinos?

00:27:46: You go into casino, they're very smart at this.

00:27:50: There's a certain smell in the casino that makes you feel like oh I'm back here again!

00:27:56: They have certain temperatures and air conditioning provided with free food drinks.

00:28:01: there are waiters everywhere to drop everything lighting all those things he don't know.

00:28:06: then it is daytime You know, I agree with all that but like very smart in the sense of how they can keep people engaged.

00:28:15: And so you remember going to Singapore and Orchard Street which is a famous shopping area?

00:28:20: You go to Orchards street whatever dissenters are there haven't?

00:28:25: I used to work out at Singapore a lot.

00:28:26: every time i got back to East I was gone.

00:28:28: ohhh on back it just smelled like singapore!

00:28:33: I used have this thing my grand had I think he's Mark Jacob sunflower as a perfume and even to this day, I've passed on now for like fifteen years.

00:28:47: Every time i smell that perfume of my gran.

00:28:52: it's such beautiful memory.

00:28:54: we could be doing more in the space.

00:28:59: Yes, what can you do inside of the four walls?

00:29:01: So we're exploring content and like an app as well which I think is on a roadmap for later this year.

00:29:08: And it's not that... We always say NIMAS is NOT to be all than end-of nor are SONAs!

00:29:13: They shouldn't have been treated.

00:29:14: so they're complementary aspects to What It Is That We Do.

00:29:18: I had my mental health podcast and asked the same question at The End Of Every Podcast Goal.

00:29:22: What one thing would recommend per day For someone To Feel Better About Themselves?

00:29:27: and every single answer is the most mundane, boring answer you can ever imagine.

00:29:32: It's like walking a dog going for a swim hugging my partner calling her long lost friend.

00:29:38: You know things like that.

00:29:39: it's not going to sauna or doing some eye-faluting thing.

00:29:44: its like basic things.

00:29:45: thats what makes us happy.

00:29:47: so I'm ten years in wellness.

00:29:50: The biggest things i've made an impact on me outside of saunas are cold therapy like ice baths and breath work.

00:29:58: Now both of those really are free, you know?

00:30:01: You might need to spend a little bit more money learning how to do Vedic training or things like that but nowadays they're so accessible.

00:30:08: And there the thing I go too with my own mental health when i'm in strife.

00:30:14: So basic lifestyle changes can largely impact us.

00:30:18: That's what we trying to do.

00:30:22: Not necessarily be the answer to everything, but can we be this stepping stone for people?

00:30:26: To go down their own journey and our tagline since day that was returned to self?

00:30:30: How could we promote an environment on an ethos where yeah sure they can come in experience Nimbus But we might not provide the answers to them.

00:30:38: what you might create That little knowledge does someone needs to do it or go explore whatever is maybe and like everybody who comes into nimbus has a different Day as a different week.

00:30:47: Has a different circumstance sometimes.

00:30:49: I've had a lady recently told me in Bandai where she said her father passed away and it wasn't for Nimbus.

00:30:55: She didn't think that he'd still be here, but got her through the grieving process which is like oh my god!

00:31:00: Then we have this sixteen year old girl who has a skin condition... Her mom came with her and her mainstream doctor prescribed her to get bullied at school about it And coming into Nimbis was providing space so as if she could feel safe work on herself ridiculed for what she was.

00:31:21: So it's just amazing to think of those things and if we can then extend that into an app where we provide education and content, whether you think so or not there is such a lack of education especially in our space around solid as an eye-spot.

00:31:34: when should do them?

00:31:34: but why?

00:31:35: Not particularly from women versus men menopause or perimenopause, should you do it on days you exercise?

00:31:42: Should not.

00:31:42: Should to do at night time in the morning how often she did what temperature?

00:31:46: Should I do that after a gym?

00:31:47: Should i do about the cardio?

00:31:49: like?

00:31:49: the list goes on and on And It is quite overwhelming.

00:31:53: and nowadays because we're so connected You know its difficult to sift through all of them.

00:31:58: But what is it like?

00:31:59: What should I be doing?

00:32:02: because even for me, yeah.

00:32:04: Yeah and for me It's completely different.

00:32:07: Wonderful Neil like that when we met and you were like We're so focused on well-being and wellness And this You know in its almost like a status or a cheat.

00:32:18: you didn't say that i'm saying that saying it's a status Or an achievement to You Know have wellbeing all too.

00:32:24: Have wellness sort of reach.

00:32:26: that When you said It's being well.

00:32:29: Well-being is being well and that like it just keeps ringing in my head, it's like do I feel well?

00:32:35: Am i well?

00:32:36: Like

00:32:37: yeah And you're gonna get your going to get my TED Talk answer to this because I believe...I'll be on a stage talking with this many enough But because I do feel like..it's a question That we had across everything We did last year at Nimbus.We Had our big NimbUS live event In Sydney in September.

00:32:54: We've got multiple things anacross here ,we kept asking the question what makes A well being and it's actually a very difficult thing to answer because I think in my own personal opinion, its subjective.

00:33:07: Because if you couldn't hear me when i asked that And we would come up with two completely different answers and the analogy I like to use is okay let say You Think You Know and lets make something look Like Okay.

00:33:21: Well If Can Get To A Thousand Press Ups I'll Be Fitting Well.

00:33:27: Let's just say that is correct for the moment.

00:33:29: You get to a thousand press-ups, but then what?

00:33:32: Is it a thousand and one or two?

00:33:35: What happens if you go down to nine hundred eighty fifty?

00:33:40: Now your going to start saying well I used to be at a thousand now my money had a hundred.

00:33:44: am i worse than when was before?

00:33:49: Well, I used to look like that.

00:33:52: And then all you have do is go on Instagram for thirty seconds and find yourself comparing it with somebody

00:33:59: else.".

00:33:59: And there's always... I liked Alan Watts who was a philosopher and he said, You know?

00:34:04: There's always someone else who will be better than what you perceive as being better in your life.

00:34:13: so you'll never answer the question!

00:34:15: Then if we get back at them okay well What IS A WELL

00:34:18: BEING?!

00:34:20: My little equation off the back of a cigarette pack it is.

00:34:23: Well, if you think about the pillars of health You've got physical mental emotional and I used to overlook spiritual And i'm not very spiritual in The natural sense of things.

00:34:32: but If you can get those four pillars To about eighty percent?

00:34:49: And there's no, you don't have to write it down.

00:34:51: There is no set timing on it.

00:34:53: It can be in the bus or looking into a mirror after having a shower.

00:34:57: Just try and have a moment with yourself where just pause for thirty seconds and go Okay!

00:35:02: Where am I?

00:35:03: In my four pillars My food was good.

00:35:06: I'm sleeping well.

00:35:07: Training a good bit will kick up.

00:35:09: My relationships are not great.

00:35:10: Maybe i need some work at something that might partner Or maybe working lagging behind...or Im not happy in work.

00:35:17: Okay, well then all you need to do is focus on those one or two things.

00:35:21: Push them back up to eighty and off you go again!

00:35:25: And have another push out of.

00:35:26: hey now my food's a bit... So it feels more achievable if your doing that way versus going online thinking I need for a run, I'm gonna go into the gym, i'll be four eye spots.

00:35:39: so no glue, no sugar.

00:35:43: Yeah, NMN, NAD.

00:35:45: Like supplementation alone is enough to overwhelm even the best of us because there's magnesium, vitamin C electrolytes, N-A-D, NMM, alfinein protein creatine, vitamin c zinc.

00:35:59: There are things that I take...there's ten things and i'm taking right sometimes..I feel like I am an eight year old man.

00:36:06: you know going Even the tired of putting tablet like that amount of tablets in your shoulder is ridiculous.

00:36:12: You know, so yeah it is challenging and Well-being to you's gonna be different from me.

00:36:20: And just because you have a six pack doesn't make you are well being and that's the big danger.

00:36:24: That's one gripe I have with wellness.

00:36:26: as if you go online you look at people who looked physically?

00:36:29: Well which has a big difference for being meant to do.

00:36:32: well I know a lot of those guys because i know them maybe personally or indirectly.

00:36:37: they're not happy overall and their doing things which would you could surmise saying well there are actually a wellbeing.

00:36:44: so don't be fooled by presentation.

00:36:47: You know, well like you might weigh a hundred and fifty kilos in getting down to one hundred twenty kilos is your goal.

00:36:55: That's brilliant.

00:36:55: that's Welled to you or he might be giving up cigarettes And if you can get that achieved here brilliant that see you are walking three kilometers a day it might Be good too you.

00:37:06: so yeah It all circumstantial and?

00:37:09: You have to look at your own scenario work within Your own sphere and then the only person I could tell you with your will or not his who you Not your mate, not your loved one.

00:37:22: It's always down to you.

00:37:24: so building that up internally is massively important and setting yourself goals.

00:37:30: And then lastly I'll say if don't get them do NOT beat yourselves because at the end of it all we're humans We are imperfect.

00:37:41: I talk about the burger analogy and i'm gonna keep saying it because It's something that people can latch on to.

00:37:47: but if you wanna have a fucking burger, eat a burger.

00:37:51: I spoke too A really impressive musician called Amron Avery in my podcast recent.

00:37:56: he is The guitarist in them Tame Impala Really fascinating guy.

00:38:03: Unbeknownst me He was actually almost pro level golfer And we were chatting with him on the podcast Conclusion himself, and I didn't want to put in.

00:38:14: Oh my god.

00:38:15: him And I was thinking the same thing.

00:38:16: he said you know what?

00:38:18: I had this epiphany where it's like every.

00:38:20: now again i'm gonna have a single cigarette and I'm not saying It's healthy Not saying let go for me but sometimes when he's touring around The world He is not drinking or doing drugs which she might've done In the past.

00:38:33: just having that one cigarette Is all he needs.

00:38:36: and I was like oh my God mate That's literally the same top process.

00:38:40: I was thinking.

00:38:41: Whatever your thing is, Anamazi let me be real about it.

00:38:45: i'm not condoning anything either but just saying like whatever you're little whether its chocolate or having a beer.

00:38:51: if you need something.

00:38:52: and I know Sally Douglas who's good friend of mine she has podcast called Good Morning where they speak her an image in grief because they both lost their mums.

00:39:02: She spoke about alcohol.

00:39:05: Alcohol got through the grieving with her mum.

00:39:09: You just don't know what it is.

00:39:11: I can get you through a certain period But don't be afraid of that.

00:39:13: and if it is something like a burger enjoy us.

00:39:18: Yeah, eat the ice cream do thing but at least the extremes And it's something that you know.

00:39:23: It's so great segue or something i talk about in in pleasure Is that?

00:39:26: You know we don't need to upheave our whole lives.

00:39:29: Then it's like I talked about living A life you love now and its Like removing that Bar of success so that when I get there.

00:39:38: I will be happy When I get their eye will be well, and I get they're.

00:39:42: when all these things are aligned And everything's hundred percent then I'll be great until like five minutes later when something else happens.

00:39:51: So it's about.

00:39:52: I talk about harmony.

00:39:54: and yes sometimes thing is gonna beat your health going to be up your work's going to be lower, or you're works gonna need more and your family is gonna have... You know?

00:40:02: I'm gonna say sorry family.

00:40:04: Like it's all levels And when it works together It's a beautiful harmony.

00:40:09: but y'know i think When we start..I put these things on myself We go.

00:40:12: no!

00:40:12: I can't have like No alcohol Or no sugar or not gonna do that.

00:40:16: What the first thing you want To Do Is Have That Thing.

00:40:19: And it feels right now More stressful for me To Put Those Sort Of restrictions and rules, as opposed to going let's add in some good things or like lets reduce that.

00:40:33: It is just bringing it up-and down not...

00:40:37: Yeah I look at that can work for people.

00:40:41: you mentioned the beginning.

00:40:42: there are no silver bullets.

00:40:44: i talk about this from a mental health perspective.

00:40:47: There will be no bullet that will fix me Or help me who might have helped do Vedic meditation and that could be really change your whole world great but to the next person it might not.

00:41:01: So there's no silver bullet works for everybody.

00:41:03: however so many things you can't do.

00:41:09: I was a classic Irish person even though i played at an elite sports level, for six months at a time, and large stints which has been good.

00:41:25: But I'm in really great space with that now where i don't lean to alcohol to enhance my life.

00:41:31: Now I do not drink either but one thing of the moment is on Friday night after busy week And you're watching a movie or something.

00:41:43: That moment in itself, I feel very proud about because i've gotten to that point of like now.

00:41:50: I control it versus you're controlling me and that sense And that's what?

00:41:53: I enjoy don't want any more.

00:41:55: I only want one and then that's it.

00:41:57: and To your point about being content I sat on the room with my psychologist a couple years ago and I struggled but When am I contents?

00:42:07: and he asked me this real light bulb question.

00:42:09: He said well when are you going to feel content than nice at well You know if holiday gave this great answer so well When I'm sitting on a porch as an eight year old with all my grandkids and everyone running around, then.

00:42:20: I'm going to be content And he said so you're gonna wait until your eighty two be contents?

00:42:24: And i just Couldn't believe it when they say oh my god what am I doing?

00:42:29: yeah like It was real aha moment about.

00:42:32: I'm trying To look for something in.

00:42:34: this is What we do as humans.

00:42:35: We think even if You Think About A Higher Plane of Existence or Religion Or Whatever it May Be.

00:42:42: We're looking out there for what it is.

00:42:43: It's already in here, inside the bus.

00:42:46: we don't have to look elsewhere but just within.

00:42:49: I think many of us spend enough time on that space and if you slow down... And i'm the worst at this myself!

00:42:57: You know?

00:42:57: I am like a typical guy who gets a spare hour or go to gym because they are going to put my muscles up.

00:43:02: They got to look good But even though im getting better Going inward reflecting doing nothing going for a walk, you know whenever I do yoga class.

00:43:12: For example i come back my wife's always says wow You're like a different person when you come back from the yoga class And i'm like yeah, no and i'm all floaty.

00:43:23: And then i say i should do that more often than they don't do it for another four weeks?

00:43:27: So it's like Yeah, i think we're seeking answers elsewhere in other people which i did all of my life insecurity validation And I'm slowly but surely turning the ship around to kind of go, well actually you get all that from yourself.

00:43:45: You know?

00:43:45: Yeah and so what does living a life you love look like now?

00:43:53: What does content Neil look like Now?

00:43:57: I've been feeling pretty good about this sense me living in the now.

00:44:01: Look i have done Vedic meditation But im not doing it twice today for twenty minutes.

00:44:06: Sorry, Marishi who is my teacher in Bondiq but I still it's a good tool that i always have and if im in particularly stressed place like take out of the toolkit and talk about the toolkit alot sometimes its overwhelming when you think got to do all these things maybe if im a Vedic meditation pupil ill be solved.

00:44:27: thats not what happens then.

00:44:31: eventually your start getting control.

00:44:34: So the overwhelm goes and he's like, okay well I've got all these tools now my tool kit.

00:44:39: I can pull this one out whenever i need it.

00:44:41: so im feeling very there is a deep sense of pride in where Im at which its really great place to be because ive not been here until last year or so so im finding myself in the mirror saying Im grateful you know I love your and Im proud that you are having a little tear.

00:44:58: it was.

00:45:03: they talk a lot about living in the now and that's one thing I've been really trying to focus on.

00:45:08: Living In The Now, like i've got four-year old son...I have my wife and you know its difficult being in business with your wife.

00:45:15: she has another business.

00:45:16: her life is chaotic but just enjoying these small moments.

00:45:22: if I die tomorrow I do not take anything that i have for granted, particularly with my son and the moments that i share with him.

00:45:30: So if it means i spend an extra half-an-hour with him having a baby chino when i go into the office a little bit later like...that's okay because you know at the end of the day its your family, it's your life ,it's those memories that you'll take with you onto to next plane whatever looks like..its not gonna be about the car to watch or any of those things that you have and I used be way more in a materialistic mindset before like okay if i get it promotion.

00:45:55: I'm doing well by getting big house on.

00:45:57: do i am successful but get a card like i was looking for success and validation and dosing, where as you get into smallest things were my son just gives you kiss for no reason even God, isn't that like?

00:46:11: so I think living in the now is a big thing particularly if you struggle with mental health.

00:46:15: You know depression as well.

00:46:16: thinking about the past anxiety is better.

00:46:18: Think it's your future.

00:46:19: Just think of just living in and out on being comfortable in the uncomfortable And I I call at the armchair?

00:46:26: I feel like i'm really in the arm chair at the moment.

00:46:27: That shit comes after.

00:46:30: every single day to week.

00:46:32: there was A period where I thought why always me?

00:46:35: no but i'm trying To do a good thing here.

00:46:37: what I get hit wit this and that.

00:46:39: And then you get bass or ATO, what are the things?

00:46:43: liquidation is happening around?

00:46:45: This supplier can kind of go.

00:46:47: why does it always happen to me when I'm trying to do good things?

00:46:50: but if you have that mindset energetically your giving back out and comes even with self assurance confidence and self work.

00:47:01: If you constantly think negatively that seeps into your subconscious, and you're so conscious to know the difference between what's real or not.

00:47:08: So I've been trying do the opposite while I'm proud of... So what?

00:47:12: That just builds resistance on resilience.

00:47:15: Every time something goes wrong when still here.

00:47:17: but putting up a fight is super power then!

00:47:21: So i think leaning in today and thats hard for me to relay back anybody because go through journey yourself Don't be afraid to lean against or lean into it rather than avoid because I think avoidance is the easy way out.

00:47:35: In terms of what my day look, a bit of exercise always good whenever that looks like for you i do go to gym and play soccer.

00:47:43: socially spending time per date night was very important.

00:47:48: we were really bad at this but few months ago got back in.

00:47:51: now just making commitment once twice a week as your partner.

00:47:55: Very importance.

00:47:57: We have certain rules No technology, no work which sometimes is infuriating because you're like oh my god I'm stressed.

00:48:04: I need to get that.

00:48:05: but it's the family time.

00:48:06: weekends are largely family-time.

00:48:09: The one thing i'm bad at maybe let's flip it on a ten Is my sleep for the moment And let me put some context on that.

00:48:17: so look I pretty good But I do enjoy my burgers.

00:48:20: last night I had ice cream and you know Wednesday nights as You know today?

00:48:25: I think about gotta get to the gym.

00:48:28: I uh when it comes to sleep work what you know your phone goes off nowadays.

00:48:34: i think the rules are just out the door.

00:48:37: back in the old days, nine a.m till four five p.m was the working time.

00:48:41: he would not be communicated too outside of those parameters or on weekends.

00:48:46: now that's just gone.

00:48:48: like my phone rings from six am seven, eight nine p.m at night weekends people send me things going.

00:48:55: if you don't have this by Monday You know I'm not gonna give it to like your constantly under pressure.

00:49:00: So it's very very difficult switch off.

00:49:03: the only time i guess in today To myself is from about nine o'clock till eleven p.M Because that's when People are shutoff.

00:49:12: everyone has gone to bed.

00:49:14: Now I have a choice on tires and I could go to bed Or I go, I could watch a show and have a cup of tea.

00:49:21: And maybe add in bit of chocolate or something like that.

00:49:24: But actually love it's magic hour for me but then just mean to bed a little bit late.

00:49:29: It is hard get up on the morning at five thirty when you are doing that.

00:49:33: I am into that cycle.

00:49:34: so sleep as one area.

00:49:37: my four pillars use an example.

00:49:40: i know need focus more but yeah exercises good sleep.

00:49:47: Control the things that you can control, especially things that are free.

00:49:50: You know what?

00:49:51: What you put into your body?

00:49:52: how do you sleep some form of exercise and then honoring time with family and friends?

00:49:57: It's it's not rocket science, but I think even if we have about mixed or doing pretty good

00:50:03: Yeah Yes is lovely and um yeah sleep Is everything.

00:50:07: so if you had one tip, you know We're talking about wellness and wellness travel which has you know, only going to increase.

00:50:16: For our retreat hosts out there what would be one tip for them when it comes to wellness and including that as part of a retreat?

00:50:27: So do mean if your on the go or actual retreats

00:50:30: so yeah they're gonna be hosting a retreat!

00:50:32: What will something like putting together?

00:50:34: designing that retreat is one thing.

00:50:43: Wellness can be the last thing on your list right because you're traveling.

00:50:46: You're dehydrated, you are on a plane and not getting enough rest And yeah...you get away with that sometimes.

00:50:52: but if doing that at lost it is something absolutely should be incorporating.

00:50:57: It's not good enough excuse to say oh well I'm flying or travelling around.

00:51:01: yes she can nowadays put small LED things in your bag.

00:51:06: Its really about trying slow down from retreat perspective.

00:51:12: Look, it's a good question.

00:51:13: I'd probably go back to cold therapy and breath work mainly because when you think about wellness... ...I think you mentioned at the beginning often It seems is this high-falutin thing that only if your supermodel or a super fit person can You do us?

00:51:30: And If wellness is not affordable accessible and maintainable like in your weekly routine there absolutely no point of doing it piecemeal, as far I'm concerned.

00:51:43: And when i think of bath houses particularly even in this country... ...I find what's there.

00:51:48: the litmus test for me is like okay and it's the same applies to a retreat.

00:51:53: would I come and do this?

00:51:55: As part of my weekly routine!

00:51:58: If its a no or if can't achieve back home some shape or form then whats the point?

00:52:06: because we did work with a big retreat brand in Thailand who told me specifically their biggest customers were Australians.

00:52:14: And they'd come over C-Streets, corporate execs all that burnt out and we are I think the second most burned country in the world living at the moment.

00:52:21: so where it's all burnt down?

00:52:22: They go over there!

00:52:23: They're amazing...they lean into retreating.

00:52:25: It's amazing..They go home....and then nine ten eleven months between the next retreat they got back to their old ways.

00:52:32: So again what is the value of that on a long term level.

00:52:37: The reason why i use breathwork and cold therapy is, you might as I said at the top of your call.

00:52:44: You may have to spend a little bit money initially but not much.

00:52:47: once you have that...you can do it anywhere in the world.

00:52:52: And Cold Therapy.

00:52:53: you could get from a cold shower or dip into an ocean like i shouldn't say this because it goes against nimbus.

00:52:58: But don't even need to have a cold ice bath!

00:53:02: Anything below fifteen degrees has given you the same benefits as going in an ice bath and you can achieve

00:53:08: that.

00:53:08: Yes, we said something very helpful I heard you say is like it's not cold enough or icy enough but its bloody cold!

00:53:16: It's a lot colder than outside.

00:53:18: A lot of the misinformation out there is like you know putting your body under too much duress.

00:53:23: from a cold therapy perspective, it's not really to go lighter.

00:53:26: Yes!

00:53:26: You want to give your nervous system away.

00:53:28: they'll call in that bit about going into that sympathetic ha-ha and then regulating...you want that but if you get to point where It lingers for hours on and you don't feel lightheaded and woozy..You've gone too far.

00:53:41: so adding in that into your week can do so much.

00:53:45: I think Yes, of course if you have a sauna things like that.

00:53:49: That's great.

00:53:50: and walking has been largely proven.

00:53:52: Walking on an incline Has I think more long impacts your longevity than doing hit classes.

00:54:00: Let us say Hit classes will keep you fit in cardio-fit And all those kinds of things aerobically during the night.

00:54:06: But thats why y'all these blue zones?

00:54:08: You only need to look at the Blue Zones.

00:54:10: i stayed In a place called Banau which is in Sardinia and it's up the side of a massive mountain.

00:54:17: And they have, you know obviously there are a lot of centenarians.

00:54:21: is that how to say?

00:54:21: Yes people over one hundred yeah!

00:54:23: Yeah over a hundred like your talking great great grannies and their walking up with another granny and its amazing to see so steep hills.

00:54:34: really good for you in your longevity.

00:54:39: Yeah, like a lot of that stuff is free.

00:54:41: You know.

00:54:41: but I do think breath work as powerful because the Dalai Lama even says you can be can meditate or you Can your box breathing on a busy bus or on a plane?

00:54:50: And it's all about your nervous system, you know particularly stress Is this I think the biggest killer there is i think at the moment in terms Of isn't to twenty five two forty-five rolls and people with young Particularly for males as well and if you can regulate your nervous True and breath work, an ice or cold therapy are brilliant ways of doing that And you can do them in a lot of environments.

00:55:15: I talk about if i'm going to have panic attack where it feels like stress was coming on... ...I can't jump into a sauna If im able to do big pitch at the stage But what I CAN do is go into bathroom and splash my water Or my face with cold water OR I can do box reading for thirty seconds.

00:55:31: So I think there's type things we should be taught even though school level.

00:55:38: imagine if every kid in the country was taught how to meditate and things like that.

00:55:42: I think there's even countries like Iceland who brought in meditation yoga, at a prison level And the prison numbers are going down across the country because they're teaching inmates How to control their nervous system?

00:55:56: If they get aggression or anxiety That can actually come back for homeostasis.

00:56:01: So yeah i think Theyre too powerful tools present at a retreat level, but should be present in everyone's lives.

00:56:10: Yeah now I love it and so you know i think one of the main things that took away from our conversation in person but also from this is just like yes obviously we both advocate for going to these wonderful places and we advocate for these fabulous retreats and these brilliant places that serve these things and specializing these things carry that forward or find a way they could take it home and become part of their well-being journey, the wellbeing overall.

00:56:45: We're missing a beat aren't we?

00:56:46: It's not...it is a band data gimmick as opposed to trying to contribute positively over all.

00:57:00: And look, it's not that there is no place for all those things.

00:57:02: But I think you've got to take a weekly routine or monthly where if you say well If i can get two pilates in and give them months A couple of yoga sessions with a few saunas You know walk once twice a week and dip into the ocean.

00:57:20: Those kind of formats are largely achievable by most us.

00:57:25: Tap into your retreats when you need it.

00:57:27: I think like having them once a year or bi-annually.

00:57:30: are doing one domestically in what overseas?

00:57:32: They're all brilliant.

00:57:33: they'll add fuel to the fire and in a good way.

00:57:36: Likewise with us on but you got to have those.

00:57:39: You gotta thinking as we say, I'm gonna go to a bathhouse or go to retreat.

00:57:43: It's like okay well can I. am i going to continue these things When I go home?

00:57:48: And if not then question either from yourself what it is you're actually doing going, well how can I incorporate this in a way that i know i can achieve?

00:58:00: because if you go down the road of trying to do too much and you can't maintain there.

00:58:05: You are gonna go on that vicious cycle where they spoke about being burnt out.

00:58:13: And then what happens as people go their complete other direction?

00:58:18: drugs, alcohol whatever it may be a kind of advice to escape going back the road.

00:58:23: and that's the dangerous bit you know.

00:58:25: so I think when it comes to wellness which again i don't think this message is largely being shared about being real about wellness because we're all human.

00:58:35: And like...you know..I've got friends at wellness who look fantastic.

00:58:39: they are helping stuff with that and sometimes it does get me where you go.

00:58:42: well I don't look like dad even though I feel like a chain all the time.

00:58:45: But they've got a different scenario to me, physiologically.

00:58:49: Circumstantially like you know... They might not have children or that run of business.

00:58:53: You know everything in one of us is different.

00:58:56: It's impossible for life because there are no two humans on earth exactly the same.

00:59:04: Yet we paint ourselves with the same brush In terms what is well being and maybe whats not.

00:59:10: So if think about it even at very basic level you're never going to find a solution.

00:59:15: You are gonna be going around in circles of perpetuity, so yeah...you've got to know yourself and it's really on you when actually being well-being or not.

00:59:26: I love that!

00:59:26: Thank you for the conversations.

00:59:30: as i said they stuck with me keep coming back too.

00:59:38: And so we'd love to know how can connect with you, find out more about Nimbus and all the wonderful things that your doing?

00:59:46: Yeah awesome!

00:59:46: So we are nimbusco and you can find us online nimbisco.com.au on socials where at TheNimbusCo And we have studios across the country.

00:59:59: We're in, you know, Byron Sydney Melbourne and soon to be WA down in Dunsbury at the beautiful Margaret River area.

01:00:07: We also have products that are everyday beauty range from our face or body or electrolyte all natural made here in Australia?

01:00:14: We also had beauty tools like body brushes things like that.

01:00:18: Then we have a range of sauna technology.

01:00:20: so we have like sauna blankets for home as well our actual sauna machines, which we go into people's homes and offices.

01:00:29: And then we build around architecture design saunas for bespoke clients.

01:00:34: We work a lot with businesses so everything from wellness programs consultation or supply of product.

01:00:42: you know what really encouraging from an Australian society point.

01:00:47: Every new build, every new office is thinking about Welles which is fantastic.

01:00:51: That's really good and we plug into this lovely little gap of okay let us do the heavy lifting for you And marry up a wellness solution that will work with your own particular project or setup.

01:01:10: The hard part everyone is different whether you're a bank or co-working space or hotel each brief and project is slightly different.

01:01:18: And that's what Nimbus is trying to get through, we're trying to be this voice for health That we can come in an apply the nimbus effect To a project or initiative no matter what it looks like No matter what shape or size of his and thats you know.

01:01:32: For us as a brand that's like dream right because When he started We thought we were just gonna have studios on every street corner when in reality?

01:01:39: Thats not probably realistic.

01:01:42: however Where we are now ten years later Actually, I'm starting to get kind of goosebumps.

01:01:47: We're like okay.

01:01:48: well actually maybe we can apply Nimbus To all areas of life where You know you could have wellness in your home?

01:01:56: You can have wellness at our studio and you can Have wellness on the go via products And if not wellness even in your workplace or your gym.

01:02:03: and then the final piece is this content.

01:02:05: So we are working on an app to be able to bring that trusted vetted Realistic health advice into the palm of everybody's hands again.

01:02:14: Everyone has a smartphone these days, so we can hopefully one day get that message into people's hands no matter where you are.

01:02:20: We've done some pretty cool and interesting topics in the last year coming here like sexual health And we ran our webinar series on performance for men.

01:02:30: I mean when they're Having issues with performance what impact it has on a couple?

01:02:35: And we also did have series on endometriosis.

01:02:37: You know our databases largely female seventy five percent very conscious of a male voice today speaking on behalf.

01:02:47: But that was an amazing series.

01:02:49: we did with Frendo, which is an app they set at London to help and it affects the huge amount of women.

01:02:57: Thankfully, sauna in heat therapy is one thing that can positively impact Enno but even my own circle of friends so many people are affected by it And I feel like it's one of those topics that is largely not spoken about enough.

01:03:11: It's important for men to understand the impacts over this as well, particularly with your partner and love ones.

01:03:15: so its amazing you know still be able to bring advice through our community...and its non-related lets say to saunas.

01:03:27: all goes into mix up making a wellbeing.

01:03:29: So yeah we're trying to be trusted health voice in industry when there are lot noise.

01:03:37: Love it.

01:03:37: And thank you so much for all the value that we've given today and I look forward to my next visit to Nimbus, um...and yeah i really appreciate your time and then everything that you shared.

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