The Art of Bleisure comes out today!

#86 - The Art of Bleisure comes out (EDITED)

Thu, Aug 22, 2024 1:32PM • 35:16

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Emma, do you want to live a life of freedom and adventure? Are you wanting more than the daily grind? Me too. Welcome to the Emma Lovell, show a place where we talk about living a life you love. Now I'm your host, Emma Lovell, and my number one value is freedom. I've spent the last 14 years running a business and traveling the world, and now I take my husband and toddler along for the adventure too. It's possible, and I know you can create a life doing what you truly love as well. This podcast will inspire, motivate and encourage you to go after your dreams, to create a life you love and to live it now, not wait for a time and or someday in the future, I'll be sharing episodes weekly about how I harmonize business travel and self care. I'll also bring on incredible guests to share their journeys, the wins, the challenges, and how they're creating a life they love. Let's jump in and get dreaming. This is a space for you to manifest a life you love.

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I would like to acknowledge and recognize Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the first peoples of this place, now known as Australia. I am grateful for the continuing care of the land, waterways and skies where I work, live, listen, learn and play from here on Yugambeh country and from wherever you are listening, I pay my respects to the elders past and present.

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Emma for having me on the podcast today to chat with you about the art of pleasure, which just arrived in your hot little hands yesterday, I believe. And I'm looking at it through the camera, and now I'm just totally jealous, and I can't wait for my coffee to arrive,

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but yeah, how does it feel to hold it in your hands after all that work? It's weird because, like, I saw it on the table this morning, and it's just like, Oh yeah,

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it's there. And it's like, but because I've seen the cover for so long, I've seen you even putting in posts out and things like that. And so I think it's just a little bit of disbelief, like you've seen it, it looks like it's meant to look but the fact that I opened it up and then my words, you know that that's, I don't even need to get over that, like even the first page, just having the title and yeah, I think that's I saw the cover when I opened the box, I saw my name first, and it's like, I've waited years for this, honestly, 18 years, 18 years of saying I'm going to write a book, delusionally, when I was 19 and got back from a year of travel, like I'll write a book.

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Now understand why it took me so long, because there is significant look. Probably didn't need the investment that I've made, but I wanted a quality book,

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but the time, the experience, the contacts, the

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Yeah, the literal investment, financial investment, all of it. That's why it needed to be now. Yeah, absolutely. And like you've said before, it's your first book, but it's most definitely not your last book. So every lesson that you've learned to get to this point will just put you write another book, just so you like it. It's not a waste,

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exactly that. Like, people like, well, people get married, and then they, like, become wedding planners. Because I think they don't always that, but I don't, I definitely don't want to be a publisher or anything like that. I'm very happy to be on the author side. Someone's like, you can tell people how to market and I'm like, oh,

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yeah, I'll talk about it. I don't think No, I think I like having books, writing books. I don't think I want to teach No, because there are specialists in this industry, and I'm still learning. We only, you know, in a way, the book has only just begun, as you know, as my publicist. Now, the journey to get into those hands and to share the stories like this is years to come. We have work to do. Erin, you're stuck with me absolutely, and I think you've been really great along the way in acknowledging that there are specialists in the industry and that you do need support. Because, you know, I guess with like most things, when you're an entrepreneur and you're someone who likes to get things done, and you're very creative, you know, it's tempting to maybe just wear all the hats and do it yourself, but you've been great at delegating and recognizing that it's better to outsource certain aspects of this process. And I know that's a big topic in the book as well. You know, just because you can do all the things, doesn't mean you should, and you're just going to burn yourself out if you're trying to be everything to everyone and live a life that you actually love. Yeah, there's 100% like the look industry, like it's a whole new thing, even, you know, you've gotta send it to the National Library. You've got to, you know, last night I sent you.

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The links. I just didn't understand how it all worked. And we go through a distributor

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Ingram Spark, and then they get onto other platforms, but I still felt like I had to do something. And then next thing I know, it's on Barnes and Noble, and it's on QBD and it's on Amazon. It's very surreal seeing that there's a print version, there's going to be an audio version, the timings, the printing, the differences. So

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Anna Featherston, who's been a wonderful support throughout this, and who will come on the podcast as well, she wrote a book called, look, it's your book. And there's very much, there's two schools, there's how, or there's who. And I wanted the who. I didn't want the how, like I've read, the how I'm reading the book, I'm understanding. I did not want to do this DIY like you totally can. I just I do not have the bandwidth. And I also wanted the quality, and the people who've come in and supported, you know, they know the ropes. They know what's going on, even you Erin, you know, I know there's been things that you're like, I don't usually dabble in this part, but because you've worked with authors, you've seen the book process, it's been wonderful to have your support and having somebody to bounce things off. Because, as you know, there's so many decisions that have to be made, like so many decisions along the way, like ridiculous decisions. You didn't even think you'd have to make

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a very decision. Fatigued. I can't even decide what to have for dinner at the moment. I know I feel like at this point, you just need someone to come in make those really small decisions for you, because you making, been making such big decisions. And I agree. I think, you know, obviously you could DIY this process, but the proof is in the quality of the book. Putting like that book is such a high quality production, you know, and it is so different from seeing a 2d image of a cover, to actually be able to hold something physical in your hands, that heft of that printed book like that is just a feeling like no other So, yeah, I think you you sort of obviously learnt a few lessons the hard way, but to get to where you are now, and literally, a few days like, well, tomorrow is your first launch event. I mean, it's all about to start happening in real time, like you said, and the sort of fun is only just beginning, yeah, and I think it's something that I didn't think about. I'm going to liken it to the wedding again. Or people liken having a book, like birthing a book. You birth a book, and honestly, like a lot of similarities in the process,

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I will love this, like my little baby as well.

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Yeah, the wedding, like a wedding as well, and an engagement, I think I was always excited for the moment of the engagement, and I liken that to opening the book. And the moment of getting engaged was wonderful. But what I didn't realize would be so wonderful was then telling people about it and that shared joy. And so, like, even people who knew kind of knew it was coming, like making those phone calls, putting up the post, having people want to celebrate you, and then saying, with the marriage, like, you know, the party is a lovely thing. But then, you know, the months after, congratulations and talking about it and getting to celebrate it long after. And so I think opening people said, Don't put too much weight on like that moment of opening the box, but I knew I wanted that feeling in that moment. And I will write other books, but I really want to sit in this moment, because this is my first book, and I'm sure every time is exciting to see the book, but that first one is like this. This book made me an author, just as Finn made me a mother,

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but then I don't think I've really it sunk in, because I have been on the business side of it, of like organizing the event and selling tickets. And, you know, costs out, costs in, who's coming, they're canceled, like admin data to actually be in the room with people and see them holding my book, and see them celebrating, and to get to, yeah, join in the celebration, I think I haven't really had time to process what that's going to be like, and then I get to do it in Sydney. And so sometimes I've thought about the future events and going, oh, gotta organize another event. But I think once we have the event, it'll be like, Oh no, I want to go and do this with my Melbourne people. I want to do this with my Adelaide people. I want to do this with my Perth people. Like, I don't think that's going to get tiring,

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you know, and then seeing what the book does. And so, yes, this is right now. This is my moment. I get to be an author. I get to have the book that's a life, a dream of mine. But you know, the benefit of the book is that it's going to help people. And I get to hear from people who have got something out of it and like, that's the gift that keeps on giving. That's why you write the book. You write a book, and I wrote it a few times in there. You write a book to be read.

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I want this to be read. I want it to be shared. I want it to be passed around. I you know, yeah, don't just put it on your shelf. Please buy it. No. And I think a bit like a wedding or a baby, I do think a lot of people are so focused, like you say, on the process of writing the book, which is obviously a huge achievement, to get those 10s of 1000s of words written and edited and proved and, you know, laid out and ready to print. But I think the kind of real work does start when you've got the book in your hands and it's in bookstores and it's online, and now it's about helping as many people as possible through sharing the message and getting the book into people's hands, and let's not forget you, literally, in true pleasure style, have just gotten back into your home office after weeks on the other side of the world.

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Spinning right now, we flew in at 6pm last well, we flew in at 5:30pm

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It's now 11:53am

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so I haven't even been home 24 hours. The books arrived home before I did so, picked up a box from my in laws, brought it straight home before we even unpacked the suitcases. I started opening the box, and

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then just got to kind of hang in that moment. But then we did the unpacking, and then I had like, piles of stuff we'd ordered from overseas that had arrived or were overseas, including my friend's book, Kate turns book arrived. Like, so then I was unpacking everything and and

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then it was like, Oh, I better check my emails from today. So last night, I'm checking emails, writing back to my publisher and writing back to,

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I do know just yeah, lots of things. So I always knew I planned it like this. So I knew it would be like this. I did think we would have had some of the stuff done a little bit before. I didn't think it would be quite so to the wire. But that's how it panned out. I was literally still working on the book every day while we're away. I think that people don't understand when you write a book, the writing part, honestly, it's probably like 15% maybe 10%

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of the time, especially kids, considering we're about to start the media journey, and, you know, they'll be speaking. There's going to be a course. There's so many things that are kind of come off the back of the book, the writing of it, like it's it was big

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and but honestly, like, time wise, it probably didn't take me anywhere near as long you think about it more than you do it.

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What I'm thinking about it. I'm a fast writer, so the writing part, once I got in the flow, was not the arduous bit. It's the,

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yeah, I think it's all the decisions you have to make around it, and a lot around the intention and the audience and things like that. So writing words is not hard writing the right words, communicating them, and packaging them, and then presenting that as you know, then having that book and going, well, what's the angle? And you know, and you know, we're, we're going to do some interviews. And I'm like, Hey, Erin, what's the key message? Because I know the whole thing. So I'm like, I could tell you all the things, but like, what are the key things I'm supposed to be, which I think will come out, but when I get the question, but Right? I don't know what the question is going to be right now, so I'm just like, yeah, I wrote a book. And I think the beauty of your book is there are loads of different audiences as well. So there'll be different angles, different messages. You know, you just wrote a piece for CEO magazine, and that's obviously aimed at sort of C suite corporate decision makers. And it's that, you know, the philosophy of, you know, how you can help your team and your people actually be more engaged and productive by encouraging pleasure, you know. But that is going to be totally different to pieces we all write, which are about, you know, being a mom and juggling work and family life, or being self employed, or, you know, there are so many things that can explore, so many angles, so many outlets, and you'll have to sort of just put on a different hat, slightly different hat, each time. Like you say no, inside out, though, so well. And that was something that I didn't realize. I did a presentation for business chicks, a masterclass, and I presented some of, you know, some of the topics from the book, and some people messaged me afterwards, and they're like, Wow, I just didn't know those things about you. And I realized, like, you know, I talk about some pretty serious stuff in there, about breaking my back. I talk about grief, the grief I've been through. I talk about mental health challenges I've had, and I've talked about financial difficulties I've had, and I was like, Oh, I'm really, like, airing my dirty laundry. And I didn't think about that, because I've told those stories so many times, and they're just such a part of my life. And obviously I'm I'm okay now, and.

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I think some of those bits are going to hit people. I think the self care chapter is going to hit people pretty hard and

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probably be deeper than what they think they're getting. So it's, it's hard at times, because some people have, I've heard a few random messages of like, Oh, I'm not going to buy the book because I don't want to do business and travel. And I'm like, Okay,

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there's more to it than that, but you can't in one social media post tell them the whole book. You can't in one article tell them the whole book. We have to target an audience. And so I think what will be great is once people start to read it, and we get the quotes back from people, or what, what they took away from it will help us, because even you and I knew so long what the story is going to be, or my brand strategist was reading early on, like we knew what the message of trying to get across is, but what you don't know is what bit will hit people differently And what, what will stay with them? And so, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing that. And I just, I guess, if you're listening and you're kind of like, oh, it's not for me. I think there's a lot more in the book

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for a lot wider audience than just people who work and want to travel.

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Absolutely. Because, I mean, like you said, there is so much of your own story in the book, so it's definitely part big, part memoir, but there are different sort of learnings and tips and hacks along the way that would resonate with anyone, whether you're self employed or you're employed, whether you're a mum, whether you're not, whether you're someone who's already done a lot of travel or someone who hasn't, whether you're someone who thinks, you know what, I'm quite happy Just doing my annual camping trip down the south coast. And I'm not looking for something bigger, because I think the philosophies and the mentality can be applied to any life, and it's really at its heart about finding, working out what makes you happy and pursuing that in your life. And for you, obviously, that's travel, but different people are going to have different takeaways for sure. Yeah, yeah, it's

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it's interesting. It'd be interesting. So

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I'm excited to see that. And I don't know, I mean, I have to read it again.

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I do have to read it again because I'm going to do the audible version. So we haven't had a chance yet to do that, but it's very important to me, because obviously I have a podcast,

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and it's yet I read a little bit of a chapter at my retreat. So it's the first reading I did, and I read a section, and I got choked up.

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Such a narcissist. I love my I'm reading it. I'm like, this is quite good.

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No, it's reading it with an audience. And I guess seeing that like getting that feedback is really nice as well. And people will read the book away from me, and I'm not seeing it. So I think again, even this podcast, it's you, and we're having this dialog, but it'd be really nice to get in front of an audience and to to share it with them and to see their reactions and what they react to and what hits them. Yeah, I'm excited for that. Yeah, absolutely, because we're so close to it now,

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something that you are doing really well already, and that is great advice for anyone out there who's also writing a book, or looking at publishing a book, is you're really making the content of the book work hard, because, like you say, you've written so many words, like so much content, so now it's like, well, how can we repurpose that for media opportunities? Because you don't have to reinvent the wheel every time, and you've invested so much time and effort.

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And, you know, publishing extracts or using bits of the books as book as inspiration for articles and interviews like, that's going to be so helpful and powerful and just makes it a much better use of your time. So it was something nice again, on the retreat, there's a section in the book about frequent flyers, so I didn't podcast episode hear about it, but I talk a lot about it, and people like, how do you fly so much? And how do you travel so much? And for me, a big part of it, the frequent flyer that I didn't see the benefit, I thought was just the points and that sort of thing, but the loyalty and the status. And, you know, status sounds very elitist and that sort of thing. But the benefit going to in Qatar yesterday, which is part it's not in the book, obviously, because it's just happened, but

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we,

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they said business or economy. And I was like, we're economy, but we've been told with plat, because I'm a platinum velocity, you're allowed to check in at the business class. And so at the Qatar airport, it's actually a separate entrance for the business and first class, and then we put up. And I was like, Oh, I better tell them, because, like, you know, we're not flying business class. And so I said, Oh, just to let you know, not flying business class to the concierge, who'd come out, you know, like a hotel could come out to get our bags. I said, Oh, we're but he said, but are you platinum or gold or I said, Oh yeah, platinum. He said, Yes, here. And so we went through. It was the quietest place I've ever been in an airport. There were desks, and desks lined up. There was a seating area, and we got to check in. In that space, we went to security. There was no one, just me, Matt and Finn. We had a private person to do our customs and our security. And then we went through to a different entrance into the main airport. And then we got to go to the lounge, where we get to eat for free, chill out for a while. We're not walking around the shops, shopping and buying stuff, so my son's not distracted. So we save money, like we do actually save money, as well as having a lot calmer and more comfortable experience. And so yeah, people do tend to ask me now about the frequent flyer type thing. And so it's in the book, but I took out the excerpt and we made it into a PDF and gave it to as a bonus to my retreat guest, they were, we were all talking about it, so I was like, Look, we don't really have. I can build this into future retreats. I can do a session on travel and how to maximize it. But here's some of the book, and so it was just a great way to use it, and it was a long story.

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Covid is a great way to because I think, you know, like you say, that is the kind of question, even before publishing the book, that you get asked a lot, because anyone who follows you or listens to the podcast knows just how much travel you do, and you know it's kind of I guess it's something everyone wonders, how does she make it work? And obviously you give away a lot of your secrets in the book, but having it ready to go like that as a free bonus for people or sharing it in various ways, means it saves you from having to answer this question over and over again, so everyone wins. Well, yeah, and look, I love talking about it, but there's, but there's complexities to these things too, like my travel hacks. And what I say in, you know, in the book, is I've got travel hacks, work hacks, and we ended up having pleasure hacks. So pleasure, ultimately, in that sense, I mean, literally doing the work as you go. So originally, the chapter was called, you know how to travel the world and run your business, or how to travel the world and work. And it spun off an article I wrote for she defined years ago. And it's kind of really sparked this direction as well, realizing that I had a gift for that.

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But with each of these sections, I'm like, if you just take one thing, you know, like, you might not apply all of these and you might go, yeah, no, I really don't want to do that. But if you take one hack from the work hacks, or one from the travel hacks, or one from the pleasure hacks, and go, Yeah, I am going to communicate more that I need to have some time to work or check my emails while I'm away, because then I feel calmer, and if I communicate that to my husband and my family, then you they understand, and they'll give me the time and space that that one thing could help you. Then yay. Like,

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what I also say is, like, you don't have to do it the way I've done it. I don't even want to do it the way I've done it.

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I'm writing you my lessons of things like not to do you don't have to do it the way that I'm doing it. Like you said. It's a philosophy. It's, it's applicable in so many ways. There's, there's a chapter about, you know,

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being at home and and that I don't want to not be at home. I love being at home. But how can we then have this feeling of traveling like let's just what I would love is for people to not be pining for the travel and pining for this life, this grass is greener on the other side, life and and the.

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Like, you know, I keep doing reels where I'm like, gotta go back to real life jokes. This is my life. Like, but I, like, literally walked down the stairs today and I was like, Oh yeah, there's my pool with my palm trees. Oh, that's nice. I live here home's nice too. Like, why are we not choosing to be in places and do things that we love?

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Yeah, the choices, I chose to live here, and we make sacrifices for living here on it like that sounds like, Oh, what was you? But like, we live away from our family. We don't live near our family, you know, our parents. That's a choice we choose to make because we want to be here, you know. So,

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you know, I think what I'm trying to do as well on the socials, as well as through the book, is is show the good side and show the lovely side and show the choices that I've made so I can live a life I love, but that not every single moment of every single day is blissful, and that there are choices and challenges that come with it, but I still choose Those choices and challenges over the pining and the mediocre and the what if, absolutely, and I think you are just living proof that the linear career path and the sort of safe way to play it is is not the only option. You know, I think that is another big takeaway for people, I think, at any age and stage of life, they can read your book and realize, you know what, I do have options. I can make choices. I can take control of my own destiny, and I do love that you're very honest throughout the book in obviously showcasing the best parts of pleasure, but also owning up to the times it's not worked out, or the things that have been hard, and you know, the challenges along the way. Because anyone who tells you that life is going to be sunshine and rainbows, if you do this, is lying. I think, you know you've got to be honest. There will be hard parts, but you know, the pros outweigh the cons. So those are the choices you're making absolutely and something that I think is going to come up, and that's that like definition of pleasure, and my editor pointed out to me is that I'd probably have a different way of like, and it's not a traditional term. It's not the point the term was coined like not so long ago. But it's not something that I created,

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but pleasure would be more used. It is used more in like corporate travel. And the way that they look at it is you do the business thing. So the most kind of cool thing that you go to a business meeting, or you go to a conference, and then you extend and so you would stay for the weekend. The conference is Wednesday to Friday, you stay for the weekend. That's pleasure. So it's like or including some leisure activities whilst you're already on a way for work. That's the way that it's sort of positioned by even companies like corporate traveler. I've seen articles

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and but for me, pleasure is a way of life. It's the harmonizing of business travel and self care. And so the last trip that I did, I was like, this is a pleasure trip. And there were times where I was making reels, and I was like, I'm not really showing the work bit of it,

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um, because it's, it's hard in a minute reel to show everything. But I also sort of said, like, I don't get a lot of footage. I'm trying to actively get footage of me working because but I'm working on my phone. I was working on my phone in the car. I can't show you that me making this real is me working like the real that I've presented to you. That the storytelling of the day is the pleasuring like it is. It is the business. Part of the pleasure, the fact that the entire experience is now something that I can then market or promote or draw content from that's pleasure. So I just I've made the term very loose, and so it's finding your own definition of how you combine the business and the leisure and the travel and the self care. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Because that last trip you did, you know you were still recording podcasts, like you say, still creating content. I was definitely still getting emails from you, like

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behind the scenes. I knew there was plenty of you know work happening on that pleasure trip, but you're right. It's harder to capture, but I think, you know, you do a really great job of keeping it real and sharing your real life, even though it's not the same real life for a lot of us, like you say, you know, jokes back to real life. I love that.

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Thank you. Yeah, I think it's just such a gift, Emma. So I'm really excited about this next phase, and I agree. I can't wait to see what resonates with people, what people take away, and I can't wait for the messages you're going to receive. It's just Yeah, it's huge. Thank you so much for being on the journey.

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Me, as I said, Erin has been more than a publicist, like her job was actually meant to start like last month. You've been in I think we've been talking since probably August last year. As soon as I decided I committed to writing the book, there was no one else but you, Erin,

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and the support that you've given me. It's just beyond I'm so, so grateful. It's this is a life achievement. This is

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this book is my legacy.

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This is like,

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it was no longer

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something I want to do, something I'd like to do, is like, it became urgent. It was like, if I don't do this thing,

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then that's a life unfilled. And so this really is my legacy. I've dedicated it to my husband and my son, to my son in particular. I think I've taken out there. I have I signed the first copy to myself, and I wrote, you did it, and I signed the second copy to my son, and I just want him to know that this is normal. I want

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his will be his life. He is living a fantastic childhood, but it's not going to stop. It's not just when he goes to school, the fun stops. Like you baby, like you choose whatever work you want to do. You go wherever you want to go. If he ends up being a homebody, that's fine too. He can do whatever he wants to do. He gets to choose. And that's that's the message I want, is that what a life you love looks like is so personal, and yeah, but yeah, this is a big lifeless tick for me, and I'm so grateful to everyone. I feel like I've read the acknowledgments like five times, and I still think I've missed so many people, but you're in there, Erin, and

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I'm really excited to have some fun with this and to see what comes of it. So thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you for trusting me, for being part of this with you. And yeah, it's Yeah, bring on the next, next phase. It's just going to be a really fun ride. And yeah, I hope one day. Well, I can't wait until Finn is big enough to actually read the book and really appreciate what an amazing mummy's got. So yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful gift. I'm going to take back the hosting for a second and say shameless plug. It's we say it a lot. I'm going to do it next week. We've got to record a promo for the podcast as well, but the art of pleasure is available now. You can actually hold it in your hands. You can get it at Emma lovell.au, forward slash book. You can get it at Amazon, Barnes and Noble Nile,

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QBD, wherever good books are sold. I get to say that now,

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but yes, my book, The Art of pleasure. Please, please buy a copy, and please, then tell me what you take away. Share it. Do your selfies. Tag hashtag, pleasure life. Tag me at Emma. Lovell.au I want this book to be shared. I will just share one more thing. Erin, what is something that we're really excited about and I want to share to everybody. I've actually made a little

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game at the end of the book. So there's a page called, let's play a game. And I don't know if people remember, but there was a when you scroll to library when you were a kid, there were these old school they weren't old school. They were just what they were at the time. Libraries weren't digital, and they had these physical cards, and you had to write, you had to write your name, the date that you'd taken the book out. So we've put in the back of the book The pleasure book card. And so if you so choose, you can write your details on the book card and pass it on. And we can see how far these books can travel, how many people can read the one book. So I really encourage people as much as I would love as many copies sold as possible. I also want these to have a sustainable life and for them to keep living and keep giving. And so let's see how many people can experience the art of pleasure by passing it on.

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Fantastic. Love it, and I can't wait to see where they end up. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Thank you, Erin,

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