The Power of A Life List with Kate Christie

#93 - Katie Christie (EDITED)

Tue, Sep 17, 2024 9:43AM • 38:00

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Emma Lovell

Emma Lovell 00:00

Emma, do you want to live a life of freedom and adventure? Are you wanting more than the daily grind? Me too. Welcome to the Emma Lovell, show a place where we talk about living a life you love. Now I'm your host, Emma Lovell, and my number one value is freedom. I've spent the last 14 years running a business and traveling the world, and now I take my husband and toddler along for the adventure too. It's possible, and I know you can create a life doing what you truly love as well. This podcast will inspire, motivate and encourage you to go after your dreams, to create a life you love and to live it now, not wait for a time and or someday in the future, I'll be sharing episodes weekly about how I harmonize business travel and self care. I'll also bring on incredible guests to share their journeys, the wins, the challenges, and how they're creating a life they love. Let's jump in and get dreaming. This is a space for you to manifest a life you love. I would like to acknowledge and recognize Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the first peoples of this place, now known as Australia. I am grateful for the continuing care of the land, waterways and skies where I work, live, listen, learn and play from here on Yugambeh country and from wherever you are listening, I pay my respects to the elders past and present. Hello and welcome to today's episode. I am so excited to introduce you to Kate Christie. We had a bit of an emotional episode, because Kate's book, The Life list, is truly life changing, and it had a huge impact on me and my family, which I'll share in this episode. Kate's work is is profound. She is a time management specialist and but she's also the best selling author of five books. Her fifth book being The Life list. She is someone who I connected with through mums, a mums network, through mums and CO and then I loved her work. So she finds she helps people to find the time they need, to live the life that they want. She's Australia's leading time management expert. She's a speaker, as I said, best selling author and a sought after media commentator, Kate has also, really, in the past few years, pursued her own life that she wants to live, and is doing some incredible things and documenting how she's making the most of the time she has. I don't want to take any more of the time, because I want you to hear the wonderful words from Kate. So let's jump into today's episode with Kate Christie. Welcome to the podcast. Kate Christie,

02:51

so lovely to be here. Thanks, Emma. Thank

Emma Lovell 02:53

you for coming. I just wanted to talk to you for a while. I saw you speak up. I have listened to one of your first books, but now I've got your second book, and is it's a game changer, but just tell us a little bit in your words. Who are you, Kate?

03:07

Well, I am a time management and goal setting expert. I am a global speaker. I'm the best selling author of five books. I am a coaching consultant, and I work with high performing teams and individuals to help them find the time they need to live the life they want.

Emma Lovell 03:27

Perfect. And I Yes, well, then I've read the fourth book. Then I think, and then I'm pretty sure I've got your most recent, unless you've been busy and you've

03:35

for the life the life list is number five, yeah.

Emma Lovell 03:39

But then I've definitely got the most recent so the catalog, and I've definitely listened to another one, so we'll find the whole catalog. But how did you get into time management? Why is time so important to you?

03:55

Oh, look, it's I think I was born productive, but I didn't realize it was sort of a superpower of mine until probably turning 40. But you know, the I was a lawyer for a long time and worked as a senior executive and in corporate, had three babies very close together. So I had three babies in three and a half years, and still tried to manage the juggle and the, you know, the highfalutin job, and it just became so hard. And ultimately, what I did is I opted out of my big, magnificent corporate career because I felt like I had no choice. I felt like I could either be a good mum or have a great career, and I felt like I couldn't have both. And I really sort of backed myself into a corner. To be honest, I had a bit of time out, and what I realized with that time out was that I could actually have it all, or all the bits that were most important to me. I just needed to be investing my time differently. So because. Really passionate about getting control of my time, and then I would share that with friends, and I was running a different business, and people were asking me about how I did it all, and I would explain it, and few people said, God, you need to write a book about this. And oh, everyone knows this stuff, and they're like, no, they don't. And so I wrote a book, and it became a best seller, and that sort of started me on my path to helping others, mainly, you know, organizations and businesses and business owners manage their time so that they can live a life they love.

Emma Lovell 05:39

I love that. And it's having started your, I mean, going from corporate to writing a book, and then it's like the business kind of kicked off from there. And I've just written my book. I know that that it's a big undertaking. So had such an interesting sort of that it was that, that the catalyst sort of went from the book, and how writing that first book, how was that process?

06:00

Oh, I loved it. I mean, I'd always wanted to write, and, you know, when I was at high school, I wanted to be a journalist, and I ended up doing law as a pathway into journalism. And then I sort of did my law degree. I thought, Oh, well, I really should get my articles and become qualified. And then I was stuck in the machine, you know, so the process of writing a book had always been on my life list of things I really, really wanted to do. So I loved it. I'm a process driven kind of girl, so I was very sort of formulatic in terms of writing that book. You know, I set myself daily targets. I batch my calendar so that I would, you know, write 1000 words every single morning, even though, if there were 1000 crap words, there were 1000 words, and I could fix them up later, I wrote my 30,000 words in 30 days. And, and so I followed a formula and, and I really enjoyed it. What? What was interesting, I think, with my first book, was that I kind of HID, you know, it's a business book, but it's got a character in it, and I hid behind her, whereas, over time, with writing my other books, it's got to the point now with the life list, it's just all me, and it's just, you know, no hiding. And I, I think I sort of found my voice and my confidence to actually say, hey, you know, this is how I'm living my life, this is what it's like, what's and all. And I guess I found the courage, ultimately, to have that sense of authenticity. And

Emma Lovell 07:28

I think that does take time and wisdom and sense of self that you to get into that place to write from. And yeah, I think it's quite common that even in business, people have business names, or, you know, have a or, you know, we do all of this. And here at this business, you're like, not we. It's me, like, I'm doing the admin. Like, yeah. Like, wait a minute, and it's like, it's okay. And actually people want to work with you, and actually people want to read your story. And we're coming to Kate to know what? Well, how does Kate do it? I'm not had really funny feedback a couple of times in the early stages of writing my book, where people go, it's a bit like, it's not, didn't say, like this, but it was a bit like, I thought about you, and I was like, otherwise it's just somebody going, you should do this and you should do that. And then you're going, Who the hell are you to tell me what to do? And you're like, Oh, well, because you've lived it well. Now I understand why you're suggesting that I do this, but it was like, my name's on the front, and thankfully, have the courage and the backing to know that I could, but if I'd got that feedback five years ago, maybe I wouldn't have been able to stick with Yeah,

08:39

I think it's important. I think, you know, when we're writing a book, even if it is a business book, storytelling is so interesting and it's so important, and that sense of authenticity, you want your narrative to be relatable. And so, you know, we're best at telling stories about ourselves, because it is our experiences, and I think that's what our readers relate to. You know, I get so much feedback from people who've read my books that they enjoy, you know, my tone. They enjoy my voice. They enjoy the fact that I'm sort of straight to the point that I'm, you know, self deprecating, that I can have some fun and have a laugh. You know, that's otherwise we're robots. You know, there's that human relationship that's so important, and it needs to come across in our books as well.

Emma Lovell 09:26

And now, believe the book that I've listened to is me time.

09:31

Okay, me time was my first book, my first ever, ever book. Yeah. So then, yeah, so my fourth book, which maybe is that one's called me first, which is all about putting, yeah, there's a there's a me, there's a me. Theme here,

Emma Lovell 09:49

that's good, all right? Well, I think maybe I'm saying because it would have been a couple of years ago that you came into my world through, I believe mums and CO Okay, and then I found the book and, well, I need. That. And I, yeah, I really enjoyed at the start where, you know, I knew that part about you, that you're that you were a lawyer, and about the juggling of the children and the three and a half years three children, because you told that at the start. And is it start straight away from the book, I was like, Oh, this is a person, and this is a woman. And, yeah, I do want to read what she has to say, as opposed to, like, I said, someone just going, you going, you should do this and you should do that, and it's like, you, but I've got a life, but you did that at the start. So we're like, Well, okay, yeah, she's a human person, and I might actually listen to what she's going to talk about, because she

10:34

especially if, if your life is relatable, you know, if you're, if you've got the small children, and you're running a business, and it's really hard, and it's, you know, dirty, you're down in the trenches, and some days are just crap, you know. You might as well call it for what it is, because there's a lot of other women who are going through exactly the same thing, and they want to know that it's normal, Yes,

Emma Lovell 10:55

yep, and, but, and, but, there are ways to find through it, and that you're not going to just go, I'm a time ninja, and I know how to make my time perfect. It was like, Yeah, this is how it started. Are you like, okay, okay, yeah, exactly,

11:09

yeah.

Emma Lovell 11:11

You know, I would really love to talk to you about your most recent book. Again, pink cover. So one was more like a hot pink. This is more of a more of a magenta fusary Pink, very gorgeous. Anyway, I'm the person who goes through the bookshop, and yeah, if your cover stands out to me, I will stand out. But I already knew it was coming. But I let I'll let you explain it, but it came into my life at a very important time, and the way you open the book is very important. And I Well, I'll let you talk about it, and then I'll explain why it's impacted me so much. So tell us a little bit about Yeah, why the life list and what is it? Yeah, sure. So I

11:56

guess from a practical perspective, the the life list was a natural segue from my time management work. It's ultimately a book of joy and hope, and it's takes you through frameworks around how to set goals for the next part of your life. The life list is the exact opposite of a bucket list. You know, a bucket list is, well, what do I want to do before I die, and it tends to be kind of travel and adventure, and all of a sudden we're really, really old, and so the life list is the opposite. It's what do I want to do while I'm still young enough to enjoy it and live it and love it? I don't want to put things off until I'm old, you know? I don't want to put stuff off till later, because later might be too late. I guess the the the background to the story was the breakdown of my marriage and the the challenge in terms of being a woman in business, the primary care of my children, and how hard all of that was and then when covid hit, and we'd been separated probably about two years, and my husband came around. It was very early days in covid, and he had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. He was only 53, and 11 months later, he passed away at 54 and it was an incredibly brutal experience watching my life partner get sick like that and to decline very, very quickly. But worse than that, you know, nursing my three kids through that process of watching their dad die, knowing that he wasn't going there wasn't going to be a happy ending to the story, and having to navigate that with them and continuing to do so. It's been three years since he passed away. That though, I guess the lasting legacy from that was that, you know, when he left our marriage, he kind of left our family. He wasn't being a great dad. He wasn't focused on the kids. He was very focused on his new life. He wasn't heavily involved in any of the heavy lifting, and he wasn't heavily involved in any of the joy, but when he became sick, he really came back, and he was an amazing father for that last kind of 10 or 11 months of his life, and very involved with kids. Spent every possible minute with them, and he was a magnificent dad. And I guess what it left me was with this understanding that, you know, life's too short, and it's trite to say, but when you go through something like that, and you witness someone actually facing their death, knowing that they've left experience. This is on the table, that they weren't potentially the best father or partner or person or whatever, that they've left opportunities on the table. It left me with this sort of legacy, or this feeling that I wanted to live my life very differently. I just didn't want to work all the time. I wanted to work out who was most important to me, and what was most important to me? What do I want to do with my life? And you know, it's not just a list of travel and adventure, it's, you know, how what do I need to do to make sure my health is okay? You know, is my wealth in you know, do I understand my bank accounts? Do I have a will? Do I have a medical power of attorney? What do I want my relationships to look like, you know, how do I want to deal with my with my business? What do I want travel and adventure to look like? What do I want my lifestyle to look like? And the life list was a complete reframe of how I want to live based on the fact that life is too short, and I now live my life very, very differently, and it's it's brought an incredible amount of joy into my life, and I guess that was kind of his final gift to me, was this realization that I wanted to live my life differently, and the life list is then a process of frameworks to help others go through that process of working out what's most important to them and working out How they can live it now, rather than waiting until later, as

Emma Lovell 16:24

it's such a powerful reframe, because, yeah, it's this sort of the bucket list is, is that time is running out, and also it seems to be, yeah, these like it has to be adventurous and it has to be wild. And I think there's a misconception when you're telling people to live a life their love and you're telling to do it. Now, I've experienced the same with and people are like, Oh, but today I had to do something. I had to do work, and so I'm not doing it. And it's like, no, but it's that other thing as well. It's not the feast or famine that we've been you know, it's not, we're not telling you to go burn your cash and do it, do bungee jumping and stuff tomorrow. We're talking about, yeah, well, what's a meaningful life and what's important to you? And having having a foundation, you know that living that way was stressful? Yes, having a foundation, being healthy, being able to set yourself up to live a long time so that you can do the things that you want to do, I think that's it's responsible. It's been very responsible. And there's just such a misconception, I think, sometimes when, but you're like, live your life, that people like, Ah, I gotta go and do it all tomorrow. And it's like,

17:28

no, no. And that's right, it's not about that. It's about designing your life around the things and the people that are most important to you. And it's also about, I guess, you know, we've all got a backstory, right? You know, we've all had sad stuff happen to us. You don't get to whatever your age is without having had grief and loss and pain and and the I guess the point, though, is that my story is no sadder than your story or someone else's story. Our sadness and whatever brought us to where we're at now informs the way we're currently living, but we get to choose how we write the next chapter, and we get we have complete choice over that, and it doesn't mean you have to have an endless pool of money, because your choices don't always have to involve expenditure. But my real point is, don't wait for that epiphany. Don't wait for that crisis, that huge loss or that huge trauma, in order to change the way you're living right now, you can make that decision right now and start designing and then your life list could be as simple as just literally sitting down in a quiet space playing some beautiful music with a nice hand or burning and just write A list of the things that are really most important to you, and then start actioning them.

Emma Lovell 18:44

Sometimes there's that little voice that you're ignoring as well, or that you're like, Oh, I'll put it off. Put it off, put away. There's something saying, do the thing, do the thing. Or, you know, if you, if you ask them and what's important to you, a word comes and they still, oh, that's not enough. Or, because it might be the first word is beach or something like that. For me, the word was book, and it was my book. Was just screaming, and it was like, I can't, can no longer put this off or ignore it. It was a 18 year dream. But, you know, unfortunately, like your story, and I've read the first pages, and I was like, Oh, it's too, it's too, it's too relatable. But it was tragedy. It was tragedy after 2023 it was tragedy, and it was my little nephew being diagnosed with a terminal illness. And I think I just recently got your book. I'd at least seen it, if I hadn't bought it. It really, was really one of the first things I did. And I wrote to my brother, and I told him, yeah, Louie, Louie was given one to two years. And I said, you know, there's this thing, because bucket list sounds horrible and it's associated with death, and we it was already hard enough. I can't believe we're having to have these conversations with you, but here we are. And so I just made the suggestion in those very, very hard early days, why don't you write a little list? Um, of things that you'd like to do with Louie, yeah, and it started as a few things, and Kate, it ended up as 206 things that they did in 18 months. They did 200 and sick. They they backtracked and wrote all the things that little kid has seen. He saw more of this world then so many people, and it inspired so many people to go, what the hell am I doing? Out and my brother and his wife tracking about, and they're not going to stop is either. You know, they've got that treasured lift, and in his funeral book, they printed the life list. So I'll always be thankful to you, Kate, because the book came at the right time, and I just think of it so often, and now as well. You know, it's just in Europe, and I did a skydiving flying thing with my son. I fly. It's a pretend skydiving. I didn't throw him out a plane. He's three. I wrote lifeless tick. And whereas I would have written bucket list tick, it's lifeless tick. Now it's we're doing we're living these things together, and we're making these memories together, and we're doing it now. And like you said, some of the best things, yeah, that was amazing, skydiving, flying on top of a ship, but some of the best things are hearing a new song together, or, you know, and writing those things as well, going to the local lookout, my my brother, because they were limited, they couldn't do they couldn't travel with him. And, yeah, I read that in your story, that your, you know, your children's father could no longer those things were taken away. So it's like, well, then what else can we do? Yeah, and what are the things you know? What it might be I want to speak in front of people. I want to be on a podcast. Might be on your live list. I want to I would happily make dream come true for anybody if they write to me, come on this podcast, share your story, but writing a book just like I just that was my legacy. And I was like, I cannot wait any longer. And so, yeah, there's been a series of catalysts, Kate, that from this, and it's something that will just keep coming back all the time that focus on living the life now.

22:17

Wow. FEMA, thank you for sharing that with me, because it's a personal, very personal story. I'm a blubbering mess. I it's so important. It makes me feel very, very special when I hear stories like that, that the book is inspiring people to live life differently and creating those beautiful memories, so I really appreciate you sharing that with me.

Emma Lovell 22:45

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24:40

absolutely. And I don't think, you know, I don't look grief never goes away. I just think we we get better at accommodating it and and the beautiful thing about the story you shared with with Louis, is that you do get to the point where you can discuss those. Those experiences you had with those person and start to laugh and say, wasn't that amazing? And remember when we did this and and there's still so much sadness in that, but there's also the joy because of the things that you you did do, and the things that you prioritized. And you know the life is can be simple. It doesn't have to be the trip down the Amazon. You know, I have things in mind like, you know, I want to eat more lollies, and I want to tell my kids I love them every single day, even when they're shitting me. And I want to vacuum less and I want to swear more. You know, it's just about being true to yourself and living a life that gives you those moments of joy. You know life is too short, your story is heartbreaking, Emma, and you know life is too short, try and live it the best way you possibly can, and with the people you love, and with moments of joy and and be grateful. Be eternally grateful for every single day that you do have.

Emma Lovell 26:04

It is something important that people do focus on the things they're going to add or more, but I think, like you said, look at what you want less of. And we're not also saying don't work like but maybe do work that fulfills you, or work that gives you purpose, or work that you enjoy, or find ways to enjoy, because we, you know, money does make the world go round, and you will need some, so find the way to best approach that work. I think what I hate saying is that that drudgery of or, you know, when you're on holiday and on vacation, it's like, I've gotta go back to my real life, or I've got to go back, oh, gotta go back home. And it's like, just life.

26:45

It's, you know, it's, it's, it's not, there's not work. You know, that whole work life balance thing is always amused to me, because work's just part of life. It's just life. You know, if you don't love your job, then try and get a job that you enjoy more. You know, there's, you know that there's nothing stopping you from looking for something better or something different. We all have agency. We have choice. And you know, a lot of us are restricted and and maybe, you know, money might be an issue. You may be in a relationship where you're unhappy and you don't want to leave it and but we all have choice. We have agency. We have the opportunity to think about things and what's going to make us feel better and happier. We have the opportunity to change things or tweak things. We're not stuck with our lot, and we need to to be courageous, and we need to be brave, and we need to live courageous lives, and sometimes that means making hard decisions, but it also means that if that hard decision is going to make you happier and make your life better down the track, then it's worth making. Yeah,

Emma Lovell 27:51

and the only gift of grief, or, I mean, there's a few, probably, but a kinesiologist shared with me, grief clarifies living, and I think that's where I think, also having a child has helped clarify a lot of things, too, and your boundaries get clearer, and the things that you don't want to do become clearer. The the less. Like I said, the having, the less. And if, if the adding list is hard, writing the life list feels hard or too big, sometimes I you know, even if someone's looking at a new role, I say, what are you not? What don't you like? What don't you want to do? Don't you want to what do you want to stop like? Or, you know that start stops. What do you want to stop doing? What

28:30

do you want to start doing? What do you want to what

Emma Lovell 28:32

do you want to do more of? Yeah, yeah. Those are just, you know, you need both columns. You need, you know. And it's not being negative. It's it's saying, No, it's

28:40

about well roundedness, and it's just about it's it's about designing your life. It's about being true to yourself. What do I want to do? I don't want to have a vanilla life where I just, you know, involve myself in working to make the money, and I want to go and walk every day. I want to go visit my dad every day I swim. Every morning, I like to lie in bed. I don't we don't always have to be pushing ourselves so hard. We don't have to be the best or the fastest or the smartest or the highest or the richest. We just have to be happy. And I think, you know, you've gone through that with Louie, my kids, and I went through that with Dan. Everyone listening to this will have had moments of grief and tragedy. I think that the gift in it is tapping into it and working out, how do you want to live differently?

Emma Lovell 29:36

Yeah, and there's a woman I follow founder, because, you know, that's how the internet works, the algorithm. But her husband passed away, and she said that for her, one of the heartbreaks is all people made all these promises and said all these things at the funeral of how they were going to live better and be inspired by him and and then be there for her, and be around and and do all these things, and then they haven't. And it's like. That was your that was the wake up call, that was the that was the that was a commitment, that was your opportunity, and then you've you slipped back in to the way that was, and that that's a choice, and I think it's to do this to make this change. You don't have to write a book about it again, noticing we have to write a book about it, but at least write the list. And I want to ask you, Kate, what does I mean for other people? This is like a real challenging question, so I feel like, live it you might be. What does living a life you love look like? Now?

30:37

I love that question. Emma, so a living living a life I love is living one around what I most value. So not what are my values? You know, my values are pretty sort of set and stagnant, you know, well, not stagnant, but they're locked in concrete. You know, it's, I want to be professional, I want to be kind, I want to be caring. I want to, you know, love the people I love. I want to deliver great service. You know, they're my values. They don't change. But living a life I love is around living a life that involves what I most value. There's three things in my world that I most value, my kids and my partner, my family. The second is my business, and the third is my health and well being. So my whole life, my day, my week, my month, my year, is built around those three things. Everything else is a really easy no for me, yeah. I've got a laser like focus that it's if it's to do with my kids and my family, my partner, it's a yes if it's a business related things. I love my business, I love work, I love what I do, then it's a yes, and I build in time, to go hiking and to go walking and to swim and and, you know, go off and have a massage, everything else is a really simple, no, yeah, I live a pretty simple life, and it's, it's lovely. Well, I

Emma Lovell 31:55

mean, I think it's that simple. You're a five times published author, best selling author. You speak on stages around the world, and I saw recently you did a fabulous trip to Bali for a surf trip. Was it?

32:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I one of the things on my life list was I wanted to sort of practice being a digital nomad. So last year, I took myself off to Bali for seven weeks. I lived and worked there, and then during that time, I also learned to surf because it was something I really wanted to do. So now I'm a, I'm a 5054, year old little surfy. You'll, you'll find me down the coast. I'm in the shallows with all the little grubbies. And then there's me. I love it. So, yeah, no, that was, that was wonderful. I really, really loved doing that. And a group of other women joined me who wanted to write their life list. So they wrote their life list, and they also learned to surf. And it was just, it was just brilliant.

Emma Lovell 32:48

So did you sort it was like a retreat? Did you sort of yeah, that, yeah,

32:51

yeah, yeah. It was a retreat around the life list. And I reached out to a company that teaches how to surf, and I partnered with them. Yeah, they put it all together, and they did all the, you know, the surfing stuff, and I did the life list stuff, and we ran it as a retreat. And really, it was just an opportunity for me and some of my awesome clients to learn how to surf. So it was great.

Emma Lovell 33:16

Oh, I hope you will do more and more of your interest to things, because that's where great businesses come from, or services or offerings come from, is from your desire and your need. And it's such a it's a I see that I love that you're doing that, and I sort of encourage my clients to do the same, because I'm like, What do you enjoy? What do you want to do? What do you love? Like, I host retreats in India. I love them. I'll talk about them till I'm blue in the face. He told me to go and run a retreat in a boardroom or a, you know, workshop day. I'm like, Oh, come to my workshop. Like, Oh yeah, and start like, you know where it's like, I'll take it in here, and I'll take it a boat, and we'll do start, you know, amazing. Excited about it. And if you enjoy and my last retreat fell one day after, well, my brother chose the funeral date because of the retreat. So I went to hit my nephew's funeral, and I went to my retreat the day after, and was hosting, but I was, it was challenging, but it was exactly where I needed to be. And I was like, and I said, selfishly to my lovely clients there, I said, I believe I created this not knowing I created exactly what I needed, and you are all here as much as I am holding space for you as a host, you are holding space for me, and we together. It's not just I'm the teacher and I'm going to teach you things like you said you your retreat was, yeah, you did some service providing, but you were a part of it. You were in it. You're not standing up in front of the audience. Yeah, we're not teachers, we're not we're participants, and you're never going to be in that ivory tower. And I love that. And so why are we not creating business offerings from us first? Not what is the market need? What is the Yeah, they want? I

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know. I know. I basically my whole business is built around what I want to do. I. Yeah, you know. And then people who want the same will be attracted to to that. So

Emma Lovell 35:07

wondering what's next, I'm like, Sign me up. I'm I saw the joy. I followed along. I saw the joy that you all had, and thought, well, that's cool. And I've done a little bit of surfing. I don't know if it'd be surfing might be something different, but I'm like, I can get on board with that. And, yeah, fun. I see you having fun. I see you light I see you lit up. I see you enjoying what you're doing, and it's infectious. And I want to be part of it. I want to read the books. I want to talk to you. I want to know more. And that's because you've shared with us from you, and it's such a gift. Kate,

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oh, thank you. Emma, thank you. I'll

Emma Lovell 35:44

probably just gush over you, so I might wrap it up. I'm sure time management another time early, I really need to work on that. But excited. Are you working on the moment? Or how can we support you? How can we find you? Obviously, we'll put the life list book. It's an absolute must. All the other books are great too, but that one is, yeah, for me, incredible. But how can we thank you? Look,

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I just, I'm so grateful for being on your podcast. I love that you're spreading the word around the life list. I am running a lifelist group program that's coming up. If anyone's interested, it's a it's going to be a 12 week program on Zoom, so an hour a week, and we are going to work together as a group of incredible women cheerleading for each other to create and implement life lists. There's no surfing on the there's not, it's not a retreat this time. But if anyone's interested, they can just shoot me an email and I'll give them the details.

Emma Lovell 36:42

Fabulous. And you're on Instagram or link LinkedIn. I see you on LinkedIn is

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probably my main page. Um, I do a little bit on Facebook, sometime, on Insta, if I remember, but LinkedIn is probably where I am most

Emma Lovell 36:54

fantastic. Thank you, Kate. Um, you are living your values, but you're living, you're living a life of value. And I just it's, it's really inspiring and encouraging, and let's just keep this loving life message spreading.

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Thank you. Thanks, Emma. Thank you. Same. Back to you.

Emma Lovell 37:16

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