Yemi Penn: Be unreasonable with your dreams

Yenni Penn Case Study

Mon, Jun 24, 2024 4:42AM • 35:59

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Welcome, dear yummy pin.

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Thank you love it. That was just like, short and sweet. Yeah.

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I just, I feel like when I'm talking to you, we can have space. And I do. Let's slow down and we allow what's to come? Because you give that energy and I've said off air, I wanted to have this conversation with you for a long time, and I can't wait to see where it goes. But let's start with what is your job or business?

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My job is to be a curious rebel. And I laugh because it sounds so excuse my English wanqi.

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But it is that's my job is to be a curious rebel in everything. And whether that's a curious rebel as an engineer, whether it's a curious rebel as a speaker, as a writer, as a documentarian, as a researcher,

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that all those things, and it's not impossible, but I just don't subscribe to have one job. So effectively I have a way of being of Witcher curious rebel is is that

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I love it, it is so challenging. And I tried to get people to introduce themselves without all the roles and titles because you have many,

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many, and you have had many, and people like to put us in a lovely little box and knowing you from time that they knew you. And then they're trying to comprehend where you're at now and from the time have known of you and known you. You're you've had so many shifts. But the way that you're working now, as a curious rebel and being out there in the world, how long have you been working this way?

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Well, it's good question. I want to say when did I

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it was when I opened up my gym when I bought it. So I'd say 2016. So eight years, eight years, and it's only just started to write it started was started to ramp up and I changed the dial again and forkie me slow down. And then it's ramping up again. So in earnest eight years, I've been operating as a curious rebel. How did you go from engineer to buying a gym?

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Sounds random as hell.

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When I was at university in the UK, I remember wanting to be an aerobics instructor and I went then it was through the YMCA because there was a class I used to go to is this. What did we used to call it used to call it garage aerobics. There's this genre of music in the UK called Garriage bit of grime a bit of Soca, a little bit of Dancehall, which is all about reggae, but reggae beats. And this guy, like the energy in the space was just divided. I just remember feeling pure joy. Every Wednesday, seven to nine people knew not to bother me. When I had my daughter. There was always a friend I was looking around for in the neighborhood that could look after them. So experiencing that kind of joy and community always made me want to be an aerobics instructor. And so when I started university can't remember to visit 2000

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Maybe 2001. Anyway, somewhere in that 2000s. And I thought Yeah, I want to be I want to bring in some extra income. So I want to be an aerobics instructor. So I went through the process. And I wanted to teach a little bit of Afrobeat so to Afro Afro music. And so that desire just built and that's when I'd start to dream and reasonably of saying, even though I was studying engineering, I want to own a gym one day. And I truly believe that when you voice things out into the ether or with someone, the way the universe and every other guy just snatches it and makes it happen. On the premise, we don't get in the way. I always knew I wanted it. So when I moved to Australia 10 years ago from obviously having this conversation and experience the very similar joy to what I had back then and Gareth aerobics. I was like, I need some of this. And when I found out it was a franchise, I was like, this doesn't get any better to have a model of creating something. And that's where it wasn't my question, but yeah, you're an engineer. No, probably didn't think it through because I think if we think anything through reasonably, we will convince ourselves it's not a good idea. And I just wasn't down for that. I love and I've written it down that you said unreasonable. And it's something that we talked about our fair like I a lot of my book is answering that. The you know, I guess the audience saying that's unreasonable, or you can't or Yeah, who you to go from being an engineer to running a gym and actually sometimes it's not anybody saying that. It's, it's inside you. It's I love that you are

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acknowledge that it was potentially might be seen as unreasonable, but that you chose to ignore that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's weird because I've been saying that a lot being unreasonable with our dreams, but just a mass wide dialogue and interviews I love and especially where I can commit the time. I'm always grateful for these kinds of things, because it's a reflection back because I can forget that I was unreasonable that time. So why can't I be unreasonable again, and I think I mentioned it having just come back from the US and being invited by Paramount as their house guests to sit in on one of their talk shows. And me just saying, oh, yeah, I'm going to be a co host on a talk show. In the very near future, like, being rockets of desires. Yeah, yeah. I'm loving being unreasonable. Yeah. Well, you have to be, I think, to go like, and I have talked to you before about, there's a great book, which I really should be an affiliate for, because I'm telling everyone about it. But it's 10x is easier than 2x. And the first time I ever heard that x talked about that way was when you talked about and I think you did it on stage at business checks that you 20x your income. Yeah. And I was like, whoa. And it's like, there was a quick, very quick dialogue of How was that possible? And then I was like, I want that.

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You did it? I can do it. Yeah, I know how. Yeah, but someone's done it, though.

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What do we do? There's a preprint out there. Correct. It's out there. It exists. And now that we've got aI Oh, my goodness, it exists, literally. Yeah, yeah. And I think that you said that with the unreasonable dreams and then the universe delivering I love that quote from the alchemist, Paulo Coelho quote, where he's like, you know, the universe will conspire to me happen. And I think when those things start, I'm literally looking at a candle in the corner of my eye that says divine connection, which is what I think I have with you.

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That the universe Yeah, I know when it's like, okay, universe, you're conspiring, you're up to something and you but you have to allow and listen and go, Okay. Not sure what this is, like getting tingles. All right. Listen, saying, You got on stage at the business. And you were like, I don't know. I'm gonna say, I never know what to say. I am. You didn't say vessel. But in my mind, it's but I'm been a vessel. Yes.

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And the audience will probably be like, what? And I was like, Oh, I like

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I said, I do my prep. I don't know what I'm gonna say. Something. I think it's gonna be good. Yeah. Yeah. I love that allowing. Now I've got a question here, which I say you love travel, which is putting something on you

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to do you love travel. And I see that you're doing a lot, but do love it and why you're traveling a lot.

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I love travel. I don't necessarily love the traveling experienced to get there ie, the mode of travel. I'm one of those people that I just want to get there. But I love exploring the world. I love exploring spaces.

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I love exploring.

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What's the word? It's not vibration. I love exploring portals. I love exploring. And you can take that in any way you want. And I know some people might automatically think it's woowoo. It's actually no I just for me, the portal is the bridge between one space into the other. I'm actually really interested in in there.

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I do and but I just I want to say that with the caveat that every time I appear to travel, I have made myself extremely uncomfortable. There's one to make that clear. I love it. And it's so uncomfortable. However, the feeling I get from experiencing something different is worth the discomfort.

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Yeah, my husband is very similar. So he likes it when he's dead doesn't like the idea of it doesn't like doing it. But then when it gets there and what I love about doing it together is that we're on that futuristic.

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level we, we dream bigger, we play bigger we, we plan and we hope for the future when we're outside of our environment, and we're in a new space. And so it sometimes seems extreme, but I'm like if we have to go to Mongolia, to do that, then that's so healthy and good for our relationship because we can get on the same level. And I can see him dream and hope and think big. And see that expansiveness and I Yeah, it's it's incredible to witness. But did you always set out to you know, obviously, we said you had a shift big shift in the way you work. But did you set out to travel and work? No.

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No, because and I'm assuming it so let's assume that most of my mode of travel is by plane, obviously car but by plane, sometimes train but predominantly plane

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I wasn't, I was a air sick child. So who would always vomit every time when we landed or in between, and I didn't like the feeling. So at some point, I may have made the decision. Yeah. Now, if I can't get to this place, by foot by road, then it's not going to happen. So I categorically did not. But my desire to want to experience different was just so strong.

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And that, and that, to be fair, once again, only really came back up.

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I want to say about eight years ago, so I'm in the eight years, about eight years ago, where it was like, because that was the other thing. Once I moved to Australia, which was 10 years ago, I was like, Okay, you're definitely not going to be traveling Australia's big travel, because it's so far away. But then once again, I just signed up to a limiting, limiting belief narrative. And that's part of the challenge I've I've had in collaborations in America is that it? Just Australia just seems really far. And I just don't understand why anyone would do it for business and not holiday alone. So no, definitely didn't didn't set out.

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And how have you managed to now include travel in your work? Or how, how does travel play out in the work that you're doing?

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Make my desire strong enough so that

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so that it's doable, it feels manageable, plausible.

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also done it by breaking a lot of the rules that I either given myself, or I've signed up to a big one is the motherhood role, role I've given.

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And that's a tough one. Like there are still stories to today that I don't share publicly that I've done. And I mean, may or may not ever, because it just I there aren't enough me's in the world that I have access to, that I share in it for me to feel safe and supported. But a big part of it was to break the rule that I needed to be here all the way through, like everything that I need to be my kids every and anything. I've broken that rule.

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I don't want to be, I can't, I'm not subscribing to the individualistic way of being, you know, when we just say it for the fun of it takes a village, it's not for the fun of it, it's come true. And I appreciate I don't have the village that maybe I was born in to, but I can create one that that I trust. I've also had to break my rule on trust, because there was a part of me that never trusted anybody. And so now I need to have had to break my rule and the kind of conversations I have with my kids. I have to have those conversations a lot earlier. What's the other thing? There's another rule of definitely broken?

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But yeah, that I've I've done traveling with work by breaking a lot of rules. And then I'm being unreasonable once again, with my desires.

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Right? Yes. And there's so many reasons I adore you. And I just think you speak straight to my heart. But I did I want to come back to something we can clearly hear. One one could clearly hear you have an accent. And so you have you're not from Australia originally, but you have a heritage that when the first time we had a conversation, I said to you, I was jealous of your heritage and your I guess the spirituality in your heritage, and there might be projecting on to you.

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And we can talk, I'll let you talk to this. But you said something really kind back which that was about the way that I traveled but also that

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there is that in me it's just looks different, and that we all have

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a connection back to our heritage that was really generous. And because I just that quite frankly, I'm like, I'm white, I'm white as white. You know, my parents are English, we go back 500 years, I'm sure there's something in there. But I'm, I love these rich, rich tapestry of cultures that I seek out and I go to places like India, and there's places I've been in Africa and just that, you know, I feel I feel it. And I see the people with that heritage that I feel envious of that making that connection. But I I felt really grateful that you said there is something in me that can have that. Yeah. Or that that has it and part of your attraction to it is what speaks volumes and I appreciate that. That is very different to people who

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it's not about power but people who over exerted but there was something there's something authentic in in you and you saying that and I know that some people can sometimes take that differently. Yours wasn't a

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what's the word and so because I am still jet lag things are taken longer form into language.

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hard stuff like let's juicy stuff stop me for it. But there wasn't there wasn't something super

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In in how you were asking, there was no, this was just really an awareness of so I could pick that up. But I truly believe it. Also remember that

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the race conversation is, is,

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is real. But it's also divisive. It's it's not real. Like it's real, because it's impacting us, and we've signed up for it. But the actual contract is not real. So as I said to you, you have access to all of this culture, we all do, is just because of how we we appear. And also, culture is something that we probably felt we didn't have a choice to, but to respond, depending on where we were geographically, because of all the borders that have been created by way of countries. That feels like a lot, but people will dissect that as they as they need to. But I, it's, trust me, whenever someone comes up to me, and they say, Oh, I see something new, I feel something. One of my immediate responses is, oh, what's really great to be seen, but as long as you know that whatever you've seen in me existing you because you can't have access to that, if you you can't see that, if it doesn't exist in you in some capacity. And that's how I felt when, when you were struggling to open up your butter.

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I was telling someone that story is today it was like we're having a real deep conversation about how your grandmother goes down to the river and, and she says, I'm going down to the river for you. And I'm thinking, you know, I'm asking you about it. And you're like, I will answer your question. But please let me help you with your butter.

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Oil with my nails. They're fabulous. Useless.

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I'll always remember that always. Yeah, really a very contrasting moment. But yeah, so

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for the listeners, and I to remind me, were you born overseas, like where you were born overseas? You were born in the UK, and we're currently in Australia. But were you born that where were you born? And what is your I guess, cultural heritage.

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I was born in the UK, I was born in London, Westminster to be exact.

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But my heritage is Nigerian. And that was just something that

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I'm pretty confident it was strategic, the relationship between the UK and Nigeria was pretty strong. Probably because at that time, we had a lot of resources that was beneficial to the UK. But there was there was a positive relationship between both and so my parents would come back and forth. But then I was born in the UK, and I'm pretty confident. Not long afterwards, I was I was literally, then I went back to Nigeria, and I'm still trying to pieces, different parts of my, my life together. But I went back to Nigeria, and really a big part of that was to fully understand who we are. And not to forget that.

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So that's a big part of my ethnicity. And, and it was really great to be able to take my kids back to Nigeria last year, and my daughter has been there once but my son never been. And I took them to a certain part that was deeper than, you know, what has been westernized or colonized in a way. And my son in particular has never been was like having a remembering. It was like, I feel like I've been here before. That was pretty powerful. I love I, I feel that it does stay in your body. And then there's that generational, which was a light conversation over lunch was around generational trauma. So that was super fun.

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between what you had to go and speak a bit later. But I have written this in my book that I feel like because I went to the UK as a child, I was born in Australia and I went to the UK, I have a photo of me on the grass. And I have a photo of my son on the grass to anyone else that could be grass anywhere in the world. But I know that that grass we were both in England around the similar time. And I know that I feel that that is imprinted on his body and that he will know where he comes from. And hearing him talk about London now and he's three. It just makes me so happy that I'm like there. This is your family like this. So your families, this is our family and you're always going to have this connection and to share that with them. I just yeah, it just

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was real. To me. It's really special. The it's a it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful thing. And I know we talk about intergenerational trauma, but we must not forget the wisdom that comes with it as well. And I don't think we can afford to wait till we figured out how to heal the trauma. I think we have to do it in unison with getting the wisdom and that's part of the joy you feel that you know your three year old you know, knows he's got links back to the UK.

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It's so wonderful. Now what would you be you talked a little bit a little bit about challenges and I'm really grateful for that and you're not glossing over but what would be your advice for someone who's looking to include include more travel in their work

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when you're doing such a high volume of it?

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I just think just go back to why. But be radically honest why

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FYI, I want this was one of my trauma responses, but it's now one of my lifelines is I need to escape. Because the world has its challenges. Even if the world wasn't welding, we we would have our own individual issues. And I know we're not meant to run away from stuff. But I think it's okay to pause every now and again. And so for me escapism is just that, also, because different places have different vibrations. So I think come be really honest with your why I'm pretty confident it's not popular for me to say I want to escape what you want escape from your life and not thankful. Yeah, because I don't subscribe to the fact that we are just meant to be one thing. We can be many things that I'm really okay with that narrative. So get really honest as to why even if you think it's not going to be the most popular thing? Should you say out loud? I think the other thing is, and maybe this links to the why is what's the impact you want to have in the world, even if it says a mother and auntie, a sister a friend? What is it and if it's to have impact in the space, the community, the country you're in.

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So be it if you want your global, that was the thing I had to tell myself recently, having just come spent five weeks in the US and off again, is Okay, give me I do believe you can make some impacts from being in a different continent. But at some point, it might be good for you to go plant your feet

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in place. So that's another thing that you probably just want to have honest dialogue with yourself is can you have the impact you want in these different parts. And then the third thing would be to have a look at the rules you've given yourself in how you exist in the world and just see if those rules have now become a ball and chain for you, as opposed to something that can help you achieve what you want.

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I can tell you, you can tell you're a speaker, because you're doing things in threes. And

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it's so the rule of three and it's great. It's so helpful. I give it what was the question? Three, fantastic, I loved

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oh, gosh, I now have interrupted No, like, oh, there's so it's so good. We've had this conversation actually before, about

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you know, I love that you call me sis and I love that. And I feel so connected to other cultures. However, my and I want to be global. And I do think this book will help. But I have reflected to a number of people.

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I don't my audience or my business clients do not reflect my personal world. My personal world is very diverse, very colorful. I've been to 72 countries, I can name a friend in each country. But that's not transferring to my business clients who are coming to me. And I'm being curious, I don't know if there's an answer yet.

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And maybe it is having that focus. I'm being curious about it. But I've just got really aware of it last year, and I'm just like, this doesn't reflect who I am, you know, but it's what's coming to me.

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I think he'd been curious as to,

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to what that is. And look, I don't want to speak for you. But if I was to check with myself.

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I know that because I'm in a world where I'm unsubscribing, to how we make a living.

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There's usually a certain demographic who can pay for or afford the services I put out.

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And that's not to take away from anybody. But once again, in the name of radical honesty. But what I make sure is that I have a model that I can still serve the true diversity of the world.

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And there are different models for that. So once again, that's just an offering in me sharing my own story. You know, I've got offerings from coaching, which I don't do that often anymore of one to one of $10,000 to a 45 keynote of anywhere from 10 to $50,000. To do in an event where it's $25. And it's not to take away but it's to just make sure that this this access to equity

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is something that I can put in practice. So I hear I hear the conflict in the the dilemma, but I'd say keep getting curious about it. Yeah, that's really great about the offers as well. And then

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yeah, the different audiences. Yeah, I really appreciate that. And I did have a giggle while you said the coaching because I did inquire about yummies coaching services and she wasn't sure if it was maybe the right time. And my phone literally turned itself off like it was it overheated and was like emergency, your phone has to turn off and we got back on the phone and we were just like, alright, that's fine. Let's listen.

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Round hit. I was like, as much as I would like to give you my money apparently.

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So let's just keep this open. And I'll check in another day

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was was we we have had quite a few. spooky, but serendipitous and wild happenings. So I'm excited to see what other what other stuff we're gonna make happen. I loved what you said about putting your feet on the ground. And maybe that's something I will stay curious about. And it is something that I'll keep exploring. And with the book, I want to take it on a book tour. And it's like, you know, I really go to those places, but maybe it is about, you know, not just going, Why aren't American clients coming to me? It's like, well, am I spending time there? Am I connecting with them? Do I understand them? Likewise, you know, my India has spent a lot of time there. You know, I have spent some time and I'm using the general Africa, but let's say Tanzania, and Kenya, if I want to talk to that audience, maybe they need to

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spend some time there if that's the case. So I'm gonna keep that open. But thank you, for inadvertently coaching me, basically, my podcast is free coaching. And question, do you think pleasure, which is the combination of business and travel is possible? And sustainable?

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Yeah, my inner beam without thinking about the breakdown, but I think it is, it depends on frequency and how we find rest in between, because almost feeling that question itself feels like,

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it's still subscribing to the notion that you're meant to go to work, and then have a holiday. Like, remember that that's the model. That's the memo that most of us have been born into and signed up. So of course, it's possible. It's just the reframing of it. Like I, like I said, five weeks in the US. And, you know, people asking me was that for work or for pleasure? And I, actually, maybe I just come up with pleasure. Thanks for the combination, that that's literally what what I say I say, no work, but I made sure I found joy in that. Because I'm, I'm, I'm living, I'm living the life that I didn't even know I could dream. So

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absolute. Absolutely. And when is it sustainable?

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It depends on what people define a sustainable, sustainable, so that you're not burnt out constantly

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sustainable. So you think you can always have the same amount of money because that that's the other sacrifice, there's times when, I don't know when the incomes coming in. And there's times when there's lots of income, and the quality that I built from living a life where I do travel for work is equanimity, which is yummy, find joy in the high, but also find joy in the low. And that's not that that's not a very easy skill to have. But I'm, I'm actually I'm only about two years in because before there was There was panic city. And it's taken time. I'm not fully there yet. But remember, I have subscribed for decades before even being born. Because I wasn't born into the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers or any other names where they've really had that generational wealth, that there was any other option to me then then go into work till retirement age. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait to for you or I or both. You know, when they asked you at the US customs office, are you here for work or holiday hint or leisure, and you'd like pleasure, and

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pleasure.

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But another box form that says, bleisure? You just made my own and be like, ma'am, you have damaged this form is now void. You're taking the like, so as long as we move into the news, we're okay with that. Good. All right. Well, let's just put it out to the audience. Whenever you go, just try to Yeah, exactly. Explain that you're there for pleasure. And we'll just start that movement. But if segwayed very beautifully into how do you make time for self care, and to find some putting verted comments balance in your schedule?

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I mean, beat this out if you need to, I just don't fuck about myself care. Like I just, I just don't. Like I know everyone says it. How am I going to save you if I don't put my masculine? Like, how am I going to do all these things in the world? And I know and, and it's really, it's a fine balance between trying to

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care for myself, but also really be because I am an achiever. I do love achieving, but I can't do it at the risk of my health. And as I get older, my body my hormones are doing different things that I have to adjust. And so I just, I listen, Body Keeps the Score by way of distressing events, but also by way of wisdom. I know that if my eye is twitching girl, you need to sleep. Like there's certain science. I know that if my shoulders all of a sudden feel like I've got no word of a lie 20 monkeys on it. It's because I'm carrying something emotionally based off of a conversation I've had so I've got

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to really engage with that, and I've got to figure out ways to really listen to my body because she's so damn amazing.

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And I, you know, took myself out to breakfast today, I love ad hoc stuff that that's the best thing. I think that works for me. And I'm sure that there's data and research and science that if you just follow a routine, yes, it might give you the comfort you want. But every now and again, if you just become a little bit rebellious and say, yeah, no, I'm not going to have my meeting at my desk. Today, I'm going to have it underneath the tree in the park. Like, there's something about that, that is self care, that I just I literally do every single day, every single day, I change my routine, or make a last minute decision. And whether that's breakfast of my own, a random massage,

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a silent retreat, I do it. But I also know that I work quite hard as well. And so I make sure that I play and rest hard to you deserve it. And I love that it's the little sometimes it is those little minutes. Whereas we think of self care, sometimes as having that big spa day or whatever. Which is ironic because I'm sitting here in a robe. I'm going at a hotel, I'm going for a massage later, but I got onto the phone before we started and I cried to me because I'm proud of myself for I could have just gone home checkouts at 12 I could just drive home and work from there. It's like no, I mean, this amazing vibe. I mean, it's amazing hotel. The salon is right there as I Oh, come another day or do it another time. Why? Why I've got today, and I'm here now. And I walked down. And I didn't and I'm in a privileged place to at the moment, too. I didn't ask the price. I just said Do you have a time between one and five where I can have a massage for 60 minutes? We booked me in?

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Love it.

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They didn't Yeah, it was the perfect person to share it with and

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you role model it I saw you talking about it in the US and talking about it publicly. And it's really important about having that you went into your Airbnb and you're like, yeah, now it's my time. Yeah, this is my space. It's my time. It's reset. And let's see you later. Yeah, yeah, we do need to be reminded often though, so I'm glad you said that, because I was the bane if I could do a massage. So I just need to debate if I really don't have time with him just making it up. So it's 20 minute, right? Like, I go down to the, you know, the local shopping center. And it's like a foot massage, like, you know, 20 minute or you can shoulder if that's all you've got time for. I know I do this with exercise, too. It's like, it's got to be an hour. It's got to be the full workout. I got to wear all the gear where it's like, why don't I just walk around the block for five minutes, because that's all I've got. I did five laps this morning, because I'm not been swimming for few weeks. So I could do that.

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And we can keep role modeling and reminding one another and I love people talking vocally about it. Final question. What's your dream destination to work in?

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I don't actually think I've been there yet. So yeah, so not.

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Because I think I think about it and maybe pictures of people, but I actually think it's somewhere.

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It's gonna say somewhere in Europe, but I just had like, South America come and say, hey,

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hey, good.

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Like, I think it's weirdly in some

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Amazon forest type place that hopefully has Wi Fi. Oh my gosh, well, when you go there, can you give me because we come in? Yeah. Here's the key there is like because dream detonation you're like oh, holiday, and then you go to work in and then it's like, well, what is the work?

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You know, because is it speaking on a stage in New York? Or is it I don't know, you know, tracking Kilimanjaro or which is work for me or is it you know, just sitting on a balcony in the Maldives? Like typing out your book? Like it's a it's a juicy question that I'm going to marry down on for the rest of the next for the weekend. Like I really am. And ah, gosh, it just I can just imagine being in a cafe because sometimes I like noise around me then I just want to hear the trees. Yeah, having that diversity of environment is that'd be great place for pleasure. Okay, you land on it. You call me a book the ticket we're

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just gonna I'm gonna put it out there over it. I mean, in the Amazon

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Not in the slightest. I'm just grateful for you. I always grateful for you. Your openness, your curiosity, your rebelliousness.

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You're allowing

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inviting these conversations I've don't think I've ever met someone who felt so safe.

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To be so honest with and to know that we can say things and

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explore it and then recover from it, whatever it

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looks like. And I just, I thank you for the role modeling that you're doing. But yeah, the curiosity and the openness to learn from each other.

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Thank you. Thank you for creating the spaces that you do. I appreciate you.

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This unreasonable dreams. Keep us keep having unreasonable dreams. Thank you so much for today. We'll put all your links in the show notes and all those things. Yummy wrote an amazing book. You can get it wherever tell us the title.

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Did you get the memo? Because if I can do that

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I love it. I love it. And I've I'm ready. I'm ready. Now I read it a little bit. And I was like, Oh, I'm ready. I'm ready. And we're going to dive in. I wanted I told you I need to be in the place. I'm in the place. I'm ready to absorb it and soak it in because yeah, I want to go big. So thank you. Thank you